[CQ-Contest] ARRL and Open Logs - Time for the next step?

[Gerry Hull]

Hi David and company,

I understand your viewpoint.  However, the cats out of the bag, for
the biggest of DX Contests, CQWW.

I already have a software strategy tool which plots the QSO rate and
Mult rate, per band and multi-band, for stations on the CQWW log site
(and any other cabrillo file I import).   Mix that with the live feed
from your existing contest software, and you add another dimension to
the world of contesting - making live strategy decisions based on past
performance.

This debate will effect ARRL, not CQ.  I'm going to lobby ARRL CAC to
make logs public, but simply obfuscate the exact callsigns from the
Cabrillo file (a very simple task).   In this way, they can, in no
way, be used for QSL manipulation, but, lots of other interesting data
can be mined.

David, thanks again for the support of the www.getscores.org live
scoring site, and for you and Krassi's generosity with the 6Y1V
superstation.

73, Gerry W1VE
www.getscores.org




On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM, David Kopacz
<david.kopacz at aspwebhosting.com> wrote:
>
> Dick,
>
> Let me provide a single example. Let's take 6Y1V and PJ2T, whom are
> relatively close geographically and compete in a number of contests,
> such as CQWW and ARRL International DX contests.
>
> Geoff (W0CG) has a great station (PJ2T), has been around a long time and
> over the years, for each contest, has developed numerous strategies to
> produce winning scores. On the other hand, 6Y1V is new station, with
> very competitive hardware but I have not yet gained the same experience
> level competing from the Caribbean. Believe me, it is a learning
> process.
>
> Now, Geoff may feel differently, but if I were him, I don't think I
> would want my logs opened to my biggest competitor so they can gain all
> of the information and experience it has taken me years to garner in a
> few weeks of studying my logs. I think this is even more serious of a
> problem for single operator stations.
>
> Personally, I can't imagine that cheating is so ramped that it is
> necessary to open logs in order to discover it.
>
> Someone mentioned that our contacts are open anyway because they are on
> open air waves, to which I reply, if someone wants to chase me around
> the band and record all of my contacts in a contest, so be it, but for
> the contest sponsor to force me to open my logs arbitrarily so you can
> personally check to see if I am cheating is wrong. My logs are my
> property, not the contest sponsor and when I submit them to them for
> adjudication, I do not grant them permission to show them to you or
> anyone else.
>
> Fortunately, we do not live in a society where everyone must be punished
> because of the few that break the rules. Why should Amateur Radio be any
> different?
>
> David ~ KY1V
>
>
>
> <Hans,
>
> <I'm just curious and really don't want to get into this thread other
> than to
> <ask a question.  I am not judging anybody's decision, but my question
> is:
> <What is the big deal about keeping your contest logs secret and only
> for
> <your eyes?  If you submit your logs to LotW they are public for those
> who
> <are interested.  Like I said, I'm just curious.  If you were a cheater,
> I
> <could understand it.  But anybody listening to the contest can hear the
>
> <contact, so why all the furor over submitting a log?
>
> <Dick
> <W0RAA
>
>
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