[CQ-Contest] The Skimmer Rule Challenge

Robert Chudek - K0RC k0rc at pclink.com
Wed Jun 11 15:22:14 EDT 2008

Ron is correct. If the contesting community cannot agree what "Assisted" 
means, it's fruitless to try to fabricate contest rules. (Sorry Randy) This 
term needs to be defined first, then the rest will fall into place. And I 
don't think the contesting community can define it for the contest sponsors 
(Sorry again Randy). The definition/clarification needs to come from the 
sponsors themselves.

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
To: "'cq-contesting cq-contest'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The Skimmer Rule Challenge

> Well Joe, I agree with you...
> But it's pretty obvious from some of the discussions/flamefests that we've 
> seen lately (and before) on this (and other) subject(s), that there are 
> many who would DISAGREE with you on exactly what the term "Assisted" means 
> in the context of the operating contest station environment.
> Until there is, if not agreement, then a cease-fire over exactly what the 
> term is supposed to mean, and in what context... trying to define the role 
> of Skimmer and similar devices within the concept of the SO/A station will 
> ultimately fail.
> And that's just over exactly what is or isn't an "assisted" station; we 
> haven't even touched on exactly what or how Skimmer et. al. are actually 
> being used!
> 73
> -----------------------------------------------
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com>
> Date: 2008/06/10 Tue PM 09:06:04 EDT
> To: ve4xt at mts.net, "'Kerr,Prof.  K.M.'" <k.kerr at abdn.ac.uk>,
> 'Michael Coslo' <mjc5 at psu.edu>,
> 'cq-contesting cq-contest' <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The Skimmer Rule Challenge
>> > You do not have the right to define the debate on your own terms.
>> >
>> Then, Joe, one question: why do you?
> I am not redefining the debate on my own terms as you have done.
> I keep trying to bring the debate back to the traditional frame
> of reference.  "Assisted" is simply a shorthand for defining the
> participation by an additional person or persons in an "operator"
> role who is not actually making the contacts.  Since the term
> first came into use, "assisted" has always meant another person,
> whether on site or remotely, who provided spotting information.
> "Assisted" has never been applied to productivity enhancing
> technology of any description - including those technologies that
> form the basis of skimmer type systems.
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