[CQ-Contest] How many more creative subjects using "skimmer" are there?

[Sandy Taylor]

I don't necessarily think that an hour is too restrictive for the serious
players, but I do wonder what evidence we have that cheating is so rampant,
so widespread that draconian guilty-until-proven-innocent measures such as
an hour to submit, mandatory audio recordings or self-destructing logging
software is really required.

There would be another civil war if the government tried to invoke such
measures on the meaningful things in life. Why are we so ready to see them
applied to something as trivial and inconsequential as ham radio?

Maybe we should limit contests to bonded operators, or require that all logs
be signed by a notary public and accompanied by the person's passport so
they don't flee the country while the log is checked. Sheesh, can peeing
into a cup be far behind?

Some of you (not necessarily W5OV or W3WN) are starting to sound like
parents at a kiddie hockey game ready to string up the ref because he missed
an offside call. 

Fortunately, the contest sponsors realize they play to a much wider, much
more important audience than the strident folk making such propositions on
CQ-Contest. So I don't think we have much to worry about these proposals
seeing meaningful light of day.

73, Kelly
Ve4xt

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Naumann
Sent: May-02-08 7:42 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How many more creative subjects using "skimmer"
are there?

Ron,

I'm sorry, but I do not agree. I don't think this is too much to ask for any
entrant - never mind the multi-multis. As Steve rightly points out, they
would just do what the rules require and not think about it.

If an entrant cannot send their log in because of remote location or
whatever, I am 100% certain that an exception would be made.

I also cannot imagine someone considering entering a contest and thinking...


"What? I'll have to send my log in within one hour after the contest ends?
Who do they think they are? Forget it!". 

Gimme a break!

In most cases these days, I send my log in within about 1 minute of making
my last qso. I want to get it done - so I don't forget. The biggest hassle
is figuring out the right email address to send it to for the various
contests.

In fact, that is something to complain about. I will now complain about it.
Since Cabrillo format tells you what contest it is for, why does the ARRL
need multiple email addresses for contest submissions? They should be able
to sort the submissions out by what it says in the Cabrillo file - no?

73,

Bob W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius W3WN
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:20 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How many more creative subjects using "skimmer"
are there?

You're missing my point.  I'm sorry, I guess I should have gone on boring
everyone with paragraph upon paragraph of excruciating detail.

One hour is an exceedingly short and unreasonable time for the vast
majority, IMHO.  And that vast majority extends far beyond those few of us
who frequent this reflector.

Making unreasonable rules changes because YOU don't trust the other
participants says, sadly, a lot more negative things about those requesting
the change than the change is worth... and that tangent is worth going into
in another thread.  Suffice to say, if your goal is to chase the casual
contester out of the game, this is a good way to accomplish it.

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Steve London
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:49 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How many more creative subjects using
"skimmer" are there?


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Oh sure.  1 hour.  One lousy hour.
>
> I pity the poor multi-multi station owner/operators who didn't invest in a
> network configuration, who kept separate computers for each band/station,
> who have one hour to merge their logs, make sure the merge is correct, and
> send it in... and goodness help them if their m/m station is out in an
> area
> (and there are still plenty of them) without high-speed internet and/or
> cellular telephone access.


For a competitive multi-multi, planning for this is just another task to be
worked, just like many other tasks that need to be worked for a successful
multi-multi. I'm sure that K3LR would approach this with the same zeal as
the other issues that he and his team work before, during and after the
contest.

By the way, in each WRTC, the competitors had 15 minutes to turn in their
log after the contest was over. And yes, we did think about how to
accomplish this before the contest.

73,
Steve, N2IC
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