[CQ-Contest] How many more creative subjects using"skimmer" are there?

[Robert Chudek - K0RC]

I'm sorry, I disagree with your disagreement...

You said:  "'What? I'll have to send my log in within one hour
after the contest ends? Who do they think they are? Forget it!'.

Gimme a break!"


This will be a great way to discourage the "minimal contester" who makes a 
few dozen or maybe a hundred contacts. You're absolutely right. Forget it! 
The net effect will be to reduce the number of smaller logs that would make 
their way into the log cross-checking process.

The question is: Do you want to encourage contesting at all levels, or do 
you want to focus resources on discovering and eliminating cheaters?

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Naumann" <w5ov at w5ov.com>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How many more creative subjects using"skimmer" are 
there?


> Ron,
>
> I'm sorry, but I do not agree. I don't think this is too much to ask for 
> any
> entrant - never mind the multi-multis. As Steve rightly points out, they
> would just do what the rules require and not think about it.
>
> If an entrant cannot send their log in because of remote location or
> whatever, I am 100% certain that an exception would be made.
>
> I also cannot imagine someone considering entering a contest and 
> thinking...
>
>
> "What? I'll have to send my log in within one hour after the contest ends?
> Who do they think they are? Forget it!".
>
> Gimme a break!
>
> In most cases these days, I send my log in within about 1 minute of making
> my last qso. I want to get it done - so I don't forget. The biggest hassle
> is figuring out the right email address to send it to for the various
> contests.
>
> In fact, that is something to complain about. I will now complain about 
> it.
> Since Cabrillo format tells you what contest it is for, why does the ARRL
> need multiple email addresses for contest submissions? They should be able
> to sort the submissions out by what it says in the Cabrillo file - no?
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius W3WN
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:20 PM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How many more creative subjects using "skimmer"
> are there?
>
> You're missing my point.  I'm sorry, I guess I should have gone on boring
> everyone with paragraph upon paragraph of excruciating detail.
>
> One hour is an exceedingly short and unreasonable time for the vast
> majority, IMHO.  And that vast majority extends far beyond those few of us
> who frequent this reflector.
>
> Making unreasonable rules changes because YOU don't trust the other
> participants says, sadly, a lot more negative things about those 
> requesting
> the change than the change is worth... and that tangent is worth going 
> into
> in another thread.  Suffice to say, if your goal is to chase the casual
> contester out of the game, this is a good way to accomplish it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Steve London
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:49 PM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How many more creative subjects using
> "skimmer" are there?
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh sure.  1 hour.  One lousy hour.
>>
>> I pity the poor multi-multi station owner/operators who didn't invest in 
>> a
>> network configuration, who kept separate computers for each band/station,
>> who have one hour to merge their logs, make sure the merge is correct, 
>> and
>> send it in... and goodness help them if their m/m station is out in an
>> area
>> (and there are still plenty of them) without high-speed internet and/or
>> cellular telephone access.
>
>
> For a competitive multi-multi, planning for this is just another task to 
> be
> worked, just like many other tasks that need to be worked for a successful
> multi-multi. I'm sure that K3LR would approach this with the same zeal as
> the other issues that he and his team work before, during and after the
> contest.
>
> By the way, in each WRTC, the competitors had 15 minutes to turn in their
> log after the contest was over. And yes, we did think about how to
> accomplish this before the contest.
>
> 73,
> Steve, N2IC
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