[CQ-Contest] Driving at 4AM

W0MU Mike Fatchett w0mu at w0mu.com
Tue Feb 10 17:35:04 EST 2009

Dave it is just another rule.

They also force us to operate for a set period of time with power
regulations, mode restrictions etc.  They don't ask us to use 599 08 they
tell us.  What is the difference?

CQ does get your consent.  When you submit your log you consent to them
making the logs public.  That is their rule.  You don't happen to like it
for whatever reason you have.

We get it.  You don't like it.  Don't submit your logs.  Move along. 

What gets a bit more interesting is the apparent threat of what happens when
9 others do the same....  What happens is simply those operations don't win
anything and don't show up in the results and you actually end up hurting
the sport.  Nobody likes bullies.  It would appear you are trying to bully
the community into your way of thinking.  

This is a competition we don't get to chose which rules to follow.  

Do Nascar drivers get to choose how many laps they have to go around the
track, the fuel they use, tires or horsepower restrictions?  Of course not.
They make rules all the time that a few drivers or owners do not like but
guess what the races go on with them or without them.  

I have not heard one person suggest that you or anyone at 6Y1V did anything
wrong in the way you operated the contest or even remotely hinted that you
or any of the ops down there did any thing wrong.
Nobody has taken away your freedom.  You are free to operate in any contests
you wish.  To be considered for placement and awards you will have to submit
your log and abide by the same rules as everyone else.

If you are concerned about your freedoms, there are much bigger fish to fry
in Washington.


"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of David Kopacz
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:41 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Driving at 4AM

Of course I did nothing wrong. 

But public opinion does not make it right for CQ Magazine to publish my
personal property without my consent. That IS the issue. It is solely a
principle issue, nothing more nothing less. For those that think I have a
hidden agenda, I feel sorry for you.

I suspect if CQ asked, most would not object to opening their logs, but they
aren't asking, they are forcing it upon people.

The only reason I elected to withhold my log is because I am likely one of
the few that could impact the adjudication process and even that's
questionable, however, the statement is solid. What impact would ten 6Y1V
sized logs withheld have on the adjudication process?

For those that worried about people being able to put me us the log without
having worked us, I waited until after the submission deadline to make my
announcement. For those that think we must be cheating, I will release the
logs after the contest results are published.
Basically, every single person that publicly denounced my action holds no
merit. Why? Because they think the issue MUST be something other than
personal freedom.

We have already seen the results of opening logs. Accusations of cheating,
theft of strategy, to name a few. For what? So a few people can sleep better
at night?

Everywhere we turn today, someone is chipping away at our freedom of choice
while most standby idle and do nothing.

When there are no more choices and everything is decided for us, then what?

David ~ KY1V

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Pete Smith
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:26 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Driving at 4AM

Now *that's* over the top!  Slavery?  Give me a break!

I think I read the same public commentary as you did, David, and I thought
it was almost uniformly opposed to your position.  Since any controversial
topic on this reflector tends to draw the vociferous on both sides, that

suggests to me that the balance of contester opinion is not on your side.

I'm not suggesting that you did anything wrong, just that you *are* wrong on
this one.

73, Pete N4ZR

At 02:54 PM 2/10/2009, David Kopacz wrote:
>I suggest it is more likely:
>89% didn't take the poll
>6% favor open logs
>3% don't care
>2% opposed
>Even if the poll on contesting.com were an accurate representation of 
>the contesting population, one must keep in mind that just because 
>something is popular, doesn't make it right (slavery comes to mind
>The results are likely similar to the response I received after 
>announcing withholding my logs from CQ Magazine.
>Publicly, a few squeaky wheels shouted loudly against my action, while 
>privately via email, more than twice as many applauded my decision to 
>take a stand.
>I'll be more than happy to release my logs for inspection to the 
>paranoid, the accusers, the naysayers and those that simply think there 
>must be "more to the story", once the results are published.
>Mission accomplished.
>David ~ KY1V
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
>[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of VE5ZX
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:32 AM
>To: 'CQ-Contest com'
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Driving at 4AM
> > Likewise, I continue on philosophical and political grounds to
> > concept of "open logs" as is currently being debated.  That doesn't
>mean I
>The current survey on contesting.com suggests opposition to open logs 
>for any reason maybe a minority opinion.
>61% favor open logs, 24% don't care and 8% are opposed.
>... Sylvan
>Sylvan Katz, VE5ZX
>Saskatoon, SK
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