[CQ-Contest] CQWW Xtreme Categories

Tue Jun 16 13:38:14 PDT 2009

I don't speak for the ARRL DXAC, but I believe the relevant DXCC rule is:

9. All stations must be contacted from the same DXCC entity. The location of
any station shall be defined as the location of the transmitter. For the
purposes of this award, remote operating points must be located within the
same DXCC entity as the transmitter and receiver. 

The last sentence makes it clear that the op, transmitter and receiver(s)
must be located in the same DXCC entity. My interpretation is that DXCC
credit would not be allowed for contacts with or by Xtreme category stations
utilizing remote receivers that are located in entities different from the
entity in which the transmitter is located.

Personally, I don't think the CQ Xtreme category will significantly impact
participation in contests by award hunters. Even if Xtreme categories don't
count for DXCC, there will be plenty of "traditional" stations to provide
credit for DXCC entities, CQ zones, WAS, IOTAs, counties, etc. Some people
are making the assumption that contesters will flock to the Xtreme category,
forever destroying traditional contesting. I doubt that very much. For
example, while use of CW Skimmer is probably growing slowly among
Unlimited/Assisted and Multi stations, I haven't seen a wholesale movement
of Single Op stations to the technology that spawned so much fear last year.
There are still a lot of contesters who enjoy the tremendous challenge of
building better stations and improving operating skills to overcome the
vicissitudes of propagation. In other words, "a boy and his radio"
contesting is still alive and well.

BTW, it's not clear to me whether DXAC intended to rule out remote operation
completely. Rule 9 alone wouldn't prohibit setting up a station in W1 and
operating it for DXCC credit from W9 (the Black Hole) via the Internet.
However, Rule 6 could be interpreted as forbidding remote operation of any
kind: 

6. All contacts must be made with amateur stations working in the authorized
amateur bands or with other stations licensed or authorized to work
amateurs. Contacts made through "repeater" devices or any other power relay
methods (other than satellites for Satellite DXCC) are invalid for DXCC
credit. 

If it is deemed that the Internet operates as a "repeater" in the W1/W9
case, then remote operation wouldn't be allowed for DXCC. Perhaps someone
from HQ or DXAC would like to comment.

Note that both CQ and ARRL allow remote operation for contests, even if the
op and station are located in different countries. However, the
long-standing station location rule applies. The ARRL version of this rule
is that all transmitters, receivers and antennas must be located in a 500m
diameter circle, or within the property boundaries of the station owner,
whichever is larger (there's an exception for packet.) This means remote
receivers are not allowed in contests, except in the CQ Xtreme category.

73, Dick WC1M

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zack Widup [mailto:w9sz.zack at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:54 PM
> To: CQ Contest
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Xtreme Categories
> 
> I hope so. Somehow it just doesn't seem right to me. I could set up a
remote
> receiving site for 160 meters in Europe and be able to hear hundreds of
> stations I might never hear in the USA. People in Eurpoe could set up
> receiving sites here in the Midwest USA and work hundreds of people like
me
> on 160 who they'd never hear in EU.
> 
> Maybe this ham licensed 42 years is just getting old, but I don't see the
> fun in that. No way it could be acceptable for DXCC.
> 
> 73, Zack W9SZ
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Vladimir Sidorov <vs_otw at rogers.com>
wrote:
> 
> > http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/XtremeCQ_WW_Experimenter_June.pdf
> > 3. The entrant's transmitting sites must be located in a single country,
as
> > defined by the applicable licencing authority, and a single zone.
Receiving
> > sites may be located anywhere.
> >
> > I will not be surprised if the DXCC AC comes up with a declaration,
> > contacts
> > established during the CQ WW contests don't count towards DXCC anymore
as
> > conducted using non-amateurs means.
> >
> > 73,
> > Vladimir VE3IAE
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Laney" <k4bai at worldnet.att.net>
> > Cc: "CQ Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Xtreme Categories
> >
> >
> >  > Prasad wrote:
> > >> Mike,
> > >>
> > >> That is a very interesting way of looking at this new Xtreme
category.
> > >> I first took part in CQWW CW 1987 to try and work some new countries
for
> > >> DXCC - ultimately worked all of 30 QSOs in 48 hours for 30 new ones
> > >> (WOW).
> > >>
> > >> Till date, due to one reason or other I have not worked XE (Zone 6) -
> > >> now, how about a remote station in California to work that elusive
one
> > >> :))
> > >>
> > >> That will take care of my WAZ after 24 years in ham radio!!!
> > >>
> > >> BUT, I would not be legal within my VU2 license conditions - so no
> > remote
> > >> station :(
> > >>
> > >> 73 de Prasad VU2PTT (also W2PTT).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:38 PM, <N2GC at aol.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I like the new categories except for the remote receiver part.  Guys
> > >>> using
> > >>> remote receivers are going to effect the scores and fun of people
not
> > >>> in
> > >>> the extreme categories.  For instance, if I am SOSB160 QRP (or HP
with
> > a
> > >>> crappy ant like in my case) and I can hear a JA from my QTH in NY
and I
> > >>> call
> > >>> him  and he comes right back to me because he is using a remote
> > receiver
> > >>> 10
> > >>> miles  from me. What fun is that? You are taking the DX part out of
the
> > >>> contest. What  if there are 100 guys in 100 different countries on
160
> > >>> using
> > >>> remote receivers  in NY and I work them all using 5W to a coat
hanger
> > >>> and
> > >>> they
> > >>> send me a  QSL card afterward will ARRL accept them for DXCC?
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike, N2GC
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> >
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> > > I guess I'll have to go back and read the CQ Magazine announcement
> > > again.  When it was announced at the contest forum in Dayton, I
> > > understood that remote receiver sites would be limited to the same CQ
> > > zone as the transmitting antennas.  In most, but not all, cases, that
> > > would be in the same country as the transmitting antennas.  Maybe this
> > > was not part of the announcement, but that's what I understood at
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