[CQ-Contest] Wasting time??????

Sat Dec 4 11:52:36 PST 2010

I was referring to operating either as a mult chaser in a Multi Op situation
or as a single op looking for multipliers.  The run station if not identifying
is making things more difficult for many other stations who are active in
the contest and if selfishness is the answer so be it but that's not sports-
manship to say the least.  In addition I really believe it works to the 
detriment of the run station if he does not identify on a regular basis in
the form of MANY dupes, missed multipliers, busted Q's, etc.  But so
be it - every op has their own way of doing things - I was simply stating
my preferences and opinions.

                       Tony Rogozinski
 Amateur Radio W4OI - W4AMR - HK1AR - HK7AR
            LICENSED FOR OVER 53 YEARS 
         EX-N7BG, K5LMJ, K4KES, WA6BOU, 
       W6JPC W7HZF, F7BK, VP5AR, VQ9AR,
          OJ0/N7BG, CN2BG, 5V7BG, TY5AR 
          9G5AR, TU/N7BG, ZC4BG, HK3KAV
                  HK0/HK1AR, and others.....
                  I've been to 103 Countries

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jukka Klemola" <jpklemola at gmail.com>
To: "Tony Rogozinski" <trogo at telegraphy.com>
Cc: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Wasting time??????

We are describing a situation where one station is running.
The others search&ponce the QSOs.

It is natural to optimise the pace at which to run.
Also, the way to search and pounce should be optimised.

In a competing situation the will usually is to run as fast as one can.
In case someone runs slower than the rivals, that someone is not
progressing the score as the peers do.

For the searching stations, they will also maximise the contact count
by making the contacts time-efficient.

But:
There are people who are not on the band to maximise the contact count.
Most are.

But:
even out of that contesting bunch, there are people with different
experience and skill levels.

Personally, I like the variety of people and their level of experteese
in the contests.
Sometimes when I happen to remember an old QSO with someone that was
new to contesting back then; and as I compare the pace to the QSO that
just went into our logs in less than five seconds, I know we both have
learned something in the time span between our QSOs.

Learning is !

During the next few decades my pace can only drop, I think.
And I know my pace will drop.

Contests are !

73,
Jukka OH6LI

2010/12/4 Tony Rogozinski <trogo at telegraphy.com>:
> There are many things to consider many of which have been mentioned:
>
> 1. Propagation - here today gone tomorrow - A BIG ISSUE
> 2. Many stations only operate a few hours during the contest - maybe not there later
> 3. Possible problems with the station which could slow down future rate possibilities
> 4. Possible antenna/rotor failures which could have great impact
> 5. Other extenuating circumstances such as illness, etc.
> 6 Probably others which aren't included...........
>
> IMHO the best strategy is to work them when you can and as fast as you can - worry about
> sunday when sunday comes.
>
> Regarding the signing of your call: I can't imagine how much time I've wasted while hunting new
> multipliers, especially in the waning hours of the contest, listening
> to a station running but not signing his call only to realize I'd already
> worked that station when the call is finally divulged! VERY
> FRUSTRATING! Sometimes I'll finally call the station and when he
> answers I'll ask for his call and if it's a dupe he's wasted HIS
> valuable time! So who wins? Even worse if you're operating Unassisted and
> can't refer to the "spots" and more or less determine who it is.
> My modus operandi is to sign at least every second QSO and
> always acknowlege the receipt of the other stations' report with
> a "TU" or "QSL" or in some manner. If both stations don't acknowledge
> the receipt of the exchange how can they know it was a valid contact
> and is it worth the risk of a 3 QSO penalty if it wasn't? Especially
> important when the pile up is massive.
>
>
> Tony Rogozinski
> Amateur Radio W4OI - W4AMR - HK1AR - HK7AR
> LICENSED FOR OVER 52 YEARS
> EX-N7BG, K5LMJ, K4KES, WA6BOU,
> W6JPC W7HZF, F7BK, VP5AR, VQ9AR,
> OJ0/N7BG, CN2BG, 5V7BG, TY5AR
> 9G5AR, TU/N7BG, ZC4BG, HK3KAV
> HK0/HK1AR, and others.....
> I've been to 103 Countries
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:56 PM, <al_lorona at agilent.com> wrote:
>
>> As a little pistol I must admit that a lot of what I read here can be
>> intimidating. For instance, for years I have read the opinion that goes like
>> this: such-and-such behavior wastes valuable time in a contest. The behavior
>> in question is usually saying "Please copy...", or sending the other
>> station's call sign before sending your own exchange, or any number of
>> things that irk contesters who have little patience for such "wasteful"
>> practices.
>>
>> Most of these statements are highly ironic. To see why, tune in to the last
>> few hours of any contest, when stations can go several minutes on a
>> frequency calling CQ without an answer but keep pushing the button anyway.
>> I'm in no way begruding their right to call CQ; I'm saying that if you add
>> up all of the precious seconds "wasted" by those of us that say "please" or
>> "QSL" or whatever, that "wasted" time doesn't even come close to the time
>> you spend sitting on a quiet frequency looking for those last few contacts.
>>
>> In other words, most stations are not time-limited in most contests, they
>> are 'finding-another-Q' limited.
>>
>> You may argue that it is worse to lose seconds in the first hours of the
>> contest when rates are higher, than in the last hours when rates drop. This
>> argument may have merit, but remember that presumably everybody is being
>> impacted more or less equally by the "wasters" and so all this does is
>> change the point of peak rate (as well as the peak rate itself) for each
>> participant. To me this is little different than everybody being affected by
>> a solar flare. You may argue that if your goal is to set a new world record
>> then any deviation from your precise idea of the perfect exchange has a
>> greater negative impact and there I might agree with you, unless you find
>> yourself pushing the button a lot at the end... in which case, maybe most
>> contests are too long?
>>
>> I submit that most of the "wasted seconds" arguments are moot and belong on
>> the Aargh! wiki page.
>>
>> Al W6LX
> Tony Rogozinski
> Amateur Radio W4OI - W4AMR - HK1AR - HK7AR
> LICENSED FOR OVER 52 YEARS
> EX-N7BG, K5LMJ, K4KES, WA6BOU,
> W6JPC W7HZF, F7BK, VP5AR, VQ9AR,
> OJ0/N7BG, CN2BG, 5V7BG, TY5AR
> 9G5AR, TU/N7BG, ZC4BG, HK3KAV
> HK0/HK1AR, and others.....
> I've been to 103 Countries
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