[CQ-Contest] PUBLIC LOGS

[N7mal]

I have been following this thread mostly for its entertainment value. This 
is not the first time for this thread and I'm sure it won't be the last. The 
most valuable point has already been made but first the ""silliest"" 
statement: "' If you are unwilling to open your log, people will not know 
whether or not you are cheating. "" I am more than willing to open my log to 
the contest committee, they make any determinations that need to be 
made.....NOT YOU.......

The posting, below, by Albert is exactly why logs should never be made 
public(unless by the owner of the log).
Instead of accepting the decision of "Not in the Log" you invent excuses to 
fit your point of view. You manipulate what you see in black and white to 
some silly shade of pink and blue and in the end you change nothing. Instead 
of accepting the fact you screwed up, which is most likely, or the other op 
screwed up you want to make a big production out of 1 contact.
If logs were to be made public there would be an onslaught of this kind of 
'Krap'. Contest committees do very good job, unfortunately they would never 
get their work done because their email inboxes would be full of the type of 
nonsense already displayed by Albert. It would take a contest committee 5 or 
6 years to post results if they had to respond to the hundreds of Albert's 
that would created by publishing logs.

The ARRL makes it clear a couple of places in their general rules:
2.3.Entrants agree to be bound by the decisions of the ARRL Awards 
Committee.
7.9. In all cases, the decisions of the ARRL Awards Committee are final.

CQ magazine has similar rules. None of the rules say anything about the 
decision being final upon
review by K3KU, I5VHJ, etc etc etc.


Is there something productive to contesting we could be discussing?????
73




MAL
N7MAL
BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
http://www.n7mal.com
Everyone in the world is
entitled to be burdened
by my opinion

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Albert Crespo
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 14:45
Subject: [CQ-Contest] NOT IN LOG




In 2008 as 6W1RY  in CQWW Phone  I was penalized and lost a multiple =
because I was not in the log of the infamous D4C operation that was =
later disqualified.
They got disqualified, but I  was penalized when they were doing their =
infamous 10 minute rule violation escapades.
Last year in the same contest as 6W1RY , while I was  running stations =
on 10  meters at 1510 UTC  on 24/10/09, I logged CN3A. My  UBN  report  =
states  I am "not in the log" of  CN3A.
I did not understand as a single operator using only one radio and  =
running  stations how I could  log CN3A, and yet not be in their  log.=20
Because of the CQWW policy of public logs,  I decided to look at the log =
of CN3A.
Around the time of my QSO, CN3A did not appear to be in violation of any =
10 minute rule by the multiplier  station.
 I checked the log of 6V7Q and found a QSO with CN3A , on 24/10/09 at =
1436 UTC on 10 meters ,  36 minutes before my QSO at 1510 UTC.
 A review of the  CN3A logs also reflects this QSO by the multiplier  =
station at 1436 UTC.
My  QSO at 1510 UTC was no longer a new multiplier for CN3A.=20
It is my understanding that if a previous  multiplier is logged by the =
multiplier station , zero points are earned. There is no  penalty.
However, in my case , CN3A  decided to delete my QSO.=20
I  was penalized. I lost not only the QSO, but the multiplier.=20
If they had not called me, with their big signal, I probably would have =
worked them on 10 meters, but because they were already in my log, I did =
not do so.
I contacted Stefano, IK2QEI, who is in charge of CN3A, and he of course =
cannot find my 10 meter  QSO.
I would encourage others to review their UBN reports  with the logs of =
other stations and examine just how certain QSOs  became NL. Busted =
calls happen, but if you are running stations and you get a NL penalty, =
that should cause concern.
I am not thrilled that two years in a row I get a NL penalty for a QSO I =
am sure I made.
Because CN3A perhaps wanted not to have zero points in their log, I got =
penalized.
This also happens in CQWW  when USA stations call  other USA stations to =
get a needed zone,  and the called station does not bother to log it =
because it does not get a point. The calling station may not just get a =
NL, but may also lose a zone multiplier.
People should realize that deleting valid QSOs have a consequence.