[CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update

[K1TTT]

> An opinion that a skimmer receiver should not count is irrelevant as the
> rule precludes all receivers. There is no exemption for a receiver that
> might have a skimmer or equivalent connected to it.

I assume that 'precludes' should be 'includes'??  assuming that is correct
then should not any receiver attached to a person who is putting spots on
the 'human' spotting network is included as a receiver being used by my
station?  if so, my station now has a radius of some 19000km or so.
obviously that can't be the intention.

So if connecting a whole bunch of those receivers into an aggregator like
RBN makes them OK to use, but connecting to a single one that is not somehow
magically 'public' is not ok?  Even if that one spot source could also
somehow be extracted from the aggregate stream?  


David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: w5ov at w5ov.com [mailto:w5ov at w5ov.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 17:08
> To: K1TTT
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com; questions at cqww.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update
> 
> 
> Again,
> 
> The rule says:
> 
> 3. All transmitters and receivers used by the entrant must be located
> within a single 500-meter diameter circle or within the property limits of
> the station licensee's address, whichever is greater.
> 
> 4. All antennas used by the entrant must be physically connected by wires
> to the transmitters and receivers used by the entrant.
> 
> An opinion that a skimmer receiver should not count is irrelevant as the
> rule precludes all receivers. There is no exemption for a receiver that
> might have a skimmer or equivalent connected to it.
> 
> Obviously, the purpose of this is to make at least some attempt to keep
> the playing field level by not allowing a station to deploy equipment
> elsewhere that would only be used by that station - regardless of what
> category that station is in.
> 
> Spotting networks and the like (which are public in nature but not defined
> as such in the rules) are specifically exempted and allowed by rule for
> Single Op Assisted and all multi-op categories.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bob W5OV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > No, the MOST important part of this is that skimmers providing spotting
> > information ARE NOT 'remote receivers'.  They do not let you make
> contacts
> > better by hearing the stations you are making contacts with... and thus
> > should NOT covered by the 500m circle requirement for receivers and
> > transmitters.
> >
> > Use of brand names like 'Reverse Beacon Network' and even 'CW Skimmer'
> > should be avoided at all cost.
> >
> > Adding in the 'public' requirement will open all sorts of new questions.
> > Specifically how 'public' does 'public' have to be?  Is someone going to
> > set
> > up a registry that all skimmers and cluster nodes have to be in before
> > they
> > can be used in cqww?  Or does publishing to a club newsletter or mailing
> > list make it 'public'?  if so, does publishing to a mailing list of
> local
> > operators make it 'public'?  if so, how big does that mailing list have
> to
> > be?  And then of course, who is going to enforce that?
> >
> >
> > David Robbins K1TTT
> > e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
> > web: http://www.k1ttt.net
> > AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bob Naumann [mailto:W5OV at W5OV.COM]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 13:49
> >> To: 'K1TTT'; cq-contest at contesting.com
> >> Cc: questions at cqww.com
> >> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update
> >>
> >> The focus of this discussion has been directed at the least important
> >> part
> >> of the announcement.
> >>
> >> The most important part is:
> >>
> >> *Remote skimmers (beyond the 500m station circle) are *not permitted
> for
> >> any
> >> category,*
> >>
> >> Remote skimmers in this context being "private" or deployed by one
> >> station
> >> in any category for its own use which would violate the 500m circle
> >> rule.
> >> Again, the point is that remote stuff is not permitted!!!
> >>
> >> I think it is fair to conclude that the listing of RBN is intended to
> be
> >> as
> >> a generic example - it is not exclusionary of other similar technology
> >> "public" spotting network systems.
> >>
> >> I also think that the initial wording was chosen and intended to be
> >> generic
> >> without knowledge that by listing RBN was using a "brand name" and
> >> conveyed
> >> the exclusionary permission of only one specific spotting network.
> >>
> >> Let's try re-wording it this way:
> >>
> >> C. Remote skimmers (beyond the 500m station circle) are not permitted
> >> for
> >> any category,
> >> except for a Reverse Beacon Network (RBN or similar publicly available
> >> aggregated skimmer-like system spotting network).
> >> Utilization of an RBN (or similar publicly available aggregated
> skimmer-
> >> like
> >> system) is permitted for all Multi-Operator
> >> classes as well as for the Single Operator-Assisted categories ONLY. If
> >> you
> >> are a single op entry and access
> >> a Reverse Beacon Network (or similar publicly available aggregated
> >> skimmer-like system), you MUST submit your log as ASSISTED.
> >>
> >> I'm confident that is what the announcement was intending to convey and
> >> I
> >> hope that helps.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Bob W5OV
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> >> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of K1TTT
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:16 AM
> >> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> >> Cc: questions at cqww.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update
> >>
> >> After I first sent this question k3est replied that he was traveling
> and
> >> forwarded the request to "others"...  how about it "others"?  can we
> >> proceed
> >> with using skimmers the way we have in other contests or are you going
> >> to
> >> stick by this new weird distinction between the RBN and other sources
> of
> >> skimmer spots?
> >>
> >>
> >> David Robbins K1TTT
> >> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
> >> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
> >> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: David Robbins [mailto:k1ttt at verizon.net]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 13:20
> >> > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> >> > Cc: questions at cqww.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > *C. *Remote skimmers (beyond the 500m station circle) are *not
> >> permitted
> >> > for
> >> > any category,* except for the *Reverse Beacon Network (RBN).*
> >> *Utilization
> >> > of the RBN is permitted for all Multi-Operator classes as well as for
> >> the
> >> > Single Operator-Assisted categories ONLY.* If you are a single op
> >> entry
> >> > and
> >> > access the Reverse Beacon Network, *you MUST submit your log as
> >> > ASSISTED.***
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What makes the RBN unique that allows it but not direct access to
> >> other
> >> > skimmer servers?  Should I block all access to my skimmer server, or
> >> > monitor who is connected to report them to the committee???  I think
> >> there
> >> > is at least one other skimmer aggregator at ve7cc, is that one not
> >> allowed
> >> > but RBN is?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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