[CQ-Contest] CQWW impt notice: optional modification to cabrillo format

W0MU Mike Fatchett w0mu at w0mu.com
Wed Nov 9 14:22:34 PST 2011 

I can understand this if used on a very limited basis to correct an 
honest mistake.  What Doug wrote opens the door to the other station 
just working every one they hear and then marking out all the non mult 
contacts.  I hope this was not the intent of the the new 
interpretation.  We used to be able to score our own contacts.  In this 
case it would stay in the log and you would get 0 points.

This option should be used very judiciously and watched very carefully.

In times past most stations would not even consider doing many of the 
exploits that are done today.

While the intent of the new rule or interpretation  may have been to 
allow the MS to correct a blown call or honest mistake is that what it 
really says.


Mike W0MU

J6M CQ WW DX CW Contest 2011
J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011
W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net


On 11/9/2011 12:08 PM, w5ov at w5ov.com wrote:
> The rest of the story is very simple (aside from my m/s CQing feaux pas)
> the issue is what if one of these m/s guys makes a QSO with a non-mult by
> mistake.
>
> Let's say it was V26O's multiplier station made a QSO with W0MU thinking
> W0MU was a mult. He later finds out that he already worked another W0 so
> W0MU is not a mult for him.
>
> Since this non-mult QSO is not allowed, what does V26O do? Delete it from
> his Cabrillo file and cause W0MU to get an NIL (Not in Log) which in turn
> would cause W0MU to lose the value of the QSO and 3x penalty and perhaps
> the V2 multiplier?
>
> It is this specific situation that this rule is intended to correct. This
> allows the multi-single to leave these qsos in his log, allows W0MU to get
> credit for the qso he made, and yet gives the multi-single zero points for
> that qso.
>
> Sounds like a win-win to me. Sure, the multi-single shouldn't have made
> the mistake in the first place, but it happens.
>
> W5OV
>
>
>
>> Simply follow the rules and don't work non mults.  Why is this a
>> problem?  I have to wonder what is really going on that the Mult station
>> cannot determine of the guy they want to work is a multiplier or not.
>> Something smells bad here.
>>
>> The new rules or "interpretation" will not allow you to work that guy
>> either for credit.  He gets credit and you won'
>> t  and unless you find him and dupe him in his log with the run station
>> he is lost.
>>
>> This new interpretation makes me wonder what is really going on.  What
>> is the rest of the story.
>>
>>
>> J6M CQ WW DX CW Contest 2011
>> J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011
>> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/2011 5:56 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>> I worked some MS in the past and will be MS in coming CQWW CW. If I am
>>> at
>>> the mult position and suddenly start working non mult in order to mark
>>> them
>>> later as not valid in cabrillo I loose more then I gain. Those non mults
>>> whom I worked on the band are lost for me as potential points. They will
>>> not
>>> call run station when it gets on this band. We will not call them during
>>> S&P
>>> because they will show up in the logger as dupes. Plus I will have to
>>> make a
>>> lot of notes and editing cabrillo later.
>>> So there is no danger because there is no incentive.
>>> Yet this new rule provides the possibility to correct genuine mistakes
>>> and
>>> not punish the other side of such  erroneous QSOs by removing them from
>>> our
>>> log.
>>>
>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>>>
>>>> Wait................
>>>>
>>>> So a Multi/Single can break the rules and have their contacts removed
>>>> yet the other station gets to keep the contact even though the station
>>>> they worked violated the rules?  So what is to stop the mult station
>>>> from running and just marking the non mults as zero pointers?
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like trouble waiting to happen especially with some folks
>>>> who will stretch the rules to the max.
>>>>
>>>> Explain to me how the mult station ends up working non mults?
>>>>
>>>> Mike W0MU
>>>>
>>>> J6M CQ WW DX CW Contest 2011
>>>> J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011
>>>> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/8/2011 4:54 AM, kr2q at optimum.net wrote:
>>>>> Hi...
>>>>>
>>>>> I just received an inquiry (as shown below) and I thought it was worth
>>>>> posting here too.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We were M/S and find that we worked some non-mults with the mult
>>>>> station.  What should we
>>>>> do?"
>>>>>
>>>>> New this year for CQWW, you can now include a contact row in your
>>>>> cabrillo file that WILL NOT
>>>>> COUNT.  This means the log checking will ignore this QSO for you, but
>>>>> will NOT ignore it for the
>>>>> "other guy."  This way, YOUR log is clean AND the other guy does not
>>>>> get
>>>>> dinged.
>>>>>
>>>>> How?
>>>>>
>>>>> Edit your cabrillo output as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> For ONLY the row (or rows) you want to be ignored, insert an "X" (no
>>>>> quotes" in front of the
>>>>> "QSO" portion of the row (no spaces).
>>>>>
>>>>> So a row that originally look like this:
>>>>> QSO:  7011 CW 2009-11-28 0000 KT3Y   599 5      YU1LA         599 15
>>>>> 1
>>>>>
>>>>> Should be modified to look like this:
>>>>> XQSO:  7011 CW 2009-11-28 0000 KT3Y   599 5      YU1LA         599 15
>>>>> 0
>>>>>
>>>>> For M/S, also note that you should change the "Transmitter ID" (last
>>>>> column) from "1" to "0"
>>>>>
>>>>> For full details (video) of the entire CQWW 2011 update, go to:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_2011.wmv
>>>>>
>>>>> And THANKS again to the PVRC for hosting this.
>>>>>
>>>>> de Doug KR2Q
>>>>> no "usual" disclaimer
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