[CQ-Contest] CHECKLOGS -- another view CQWW-wise

[Jack Brindle]

While we are waiting for that, wouldn't it be great if the logger programs would generate the LOTW file at the same time they generate the Cabrillo file? That way we would not have to start up another program to generate the LOTW file. I believe this was one of the original intents for the LOTW user-side software, so we now need the logger authors to carry through.

For that matter, it should then be a short step to have the logger program use mail to submit _both_ files to their respective repositories.

Let's see which one of these happens first…

Jack Brindle, W6FB


On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> My understanding from current and former Hq people I've talked with is that
> this practice (giving DXCC credit based on logs submitted for the ARRL DX
> contests) was discontinued sometime in the early 1960's.  As you surmise,
> the problem was administrative; as the contests got more popular and more
> activity, the number of submitted logs rose to the point to make it too time
> consuming (and thus expensive) to continue, to comb through pages upon pages
> of paper logs to find matches.
> 
> This was (I have been told) one of the reasons behind the creation of
> Logbook of the World, to provide a means to do so, but not just for the ARRL
> DX contests.
> 
> I think in general it's a good idea.  Of course, if you're already signed up
> for LotW, it's no big deal to make two submissions... one to the contest
> robot, one to LotW.  
> 
> It's too bad that LotW doesn't appear to have an advocate at Hq. like Wayne
> N7NG was.  He had a real passion for the program, and to be honest, I
> haven't seen that level of enthusiasm for it since he retired.  T
> 
> I do find your idea of adding a Cabrillo "Yes/No" entry for LotW entries a
> good one.  Too bad that we can't seem to get anyone to even consider that
> same idea for Open Log submissions.
> 
> 73, ron w3wn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of James Cain
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 3:27 AM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] CHECKLOGS -- another view CQWW-wise
> 
> Great idea, below, and it's come up before. The practice applied only to
> DXCC and I'm certain that it had to be abandoned because it was an
> administrative, time-consuming, nightmare at arrl hq. 
> 
> The Great Leap Forward would be to find a way to fully integrate, 100 per
> cent, contest logs submitted and LotW -- surely this would encourage more
> participation in both programs. If they could find a way around the LotW
> "certification" issue they could simply roll contest logs right over into
> LotW. Your U.S. county would have to be added to the Cabrillo contest log
> header.
> 
> Anybody who objected to his contest log automatically going into LotW could
> simply opt out of it. Make it a log header 
> 
> LOTW:   YES
> or
> LOTW:   NO
> 
> How to make this happen? Don't bother with the volunteer advisory
> committees. Go directly to your director and convince him or her that this
> could be a money-maker for the league. Mention that DXCC and contests are
> the league's most popular programs and generate a lot of good will for them
> (a few pig farmers and boaters excepted, of course).
> 
> ARRL doesn't make a dime on contests; it does (I think) make a few pennies
> on DXCC and WAS submissions via LotW. At least I hope they do -- they have
> to make a few somewhere, after all.
> 
> There might be a downside to this proposal somewhere and I am absolutely
> certain that I will be apprised of it.
> 
> Jim Cain
> At The K1TN Superstation
> Whiteout, Wisconsin
> 
>> "If you really want more logs, revive the practice ARRL had back in the
> 70s, and allow credit toward >any awards you have, for QSOs that are in both
> logs.  CQ could do it for WAZ and show the way.  The >BS about security and
> cheating is just that. -- 73, Pete N4ZR"
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