[CQ-Contest] Enc: Re: How blatant can you get?

py5eg at iesa.com.br py5eg at iesa.com.br
Sat Oct 15 10:15:49 PDT 2011

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Para: py5eg at iesa.com.br
Cc: e73m at e73m.com
Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
Assunto: Res: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
Enviada: 14 Out, 2011 09:07

Hi Randy and all

I'm reading the mail on power cheating and would like put some cents on the subject:
- It is very difficult to prove that some station is operating over the limits and how much of excess of power
- In several areas to be controled the the tecnology has developed devices to register the measurement of those values - i.e speed tachgograph - energy values etc
- It is not difficult to have an power limiter  with digital registration for a period of 48 hours, forcing the top and record players to have this registration available for the contest  organizers.
- In other side we must recognize that power cheating is one among several ways to inlarge results using not allowed pratices - SO with more than one operator - cluster support - multiple local  receiving setup - M/S and M/2 with  additional transmited signals - Multi location in Multiop category - rubber cheating - log adjustment after contest i etc
- I understand that we should fight with similar strenght against all those bad pratices

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De: Mats Strandberg
Remetente: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
Para: k5zd at charter.net
Cc: e73m at e73m.com
Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
Assunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
Enviada: 14 Out, 2011 04:46


I agree that local groups, individuals or national associations could and
should support Contest Committees in solving such issues, but the overall
responsibility definitely must be on the organizers themselves.

Nobody would be happier than me if we did not need to discuss issues like
Power Cheating on reflectors. I would have enjoyed contesting tremendously
if all competitiors by own initiative understood how exciting contesting can
be obeying ALL rules.

It is very important that the expression "Zero Tolerance Against Cheating"
is followed. There are too many discussions going on that adds flexibility
also within the organizations. I have heard too much talks also from
committee members that they do not see such big problems with power
cheating, because 3 kW instead of 1 or 1.5 kW only adds just a few dB and
they "can live with that"...  Also reference to the past that cheating has
always taken place, seems to be a justification why we should look between
the fingers.

If we do not get a grip on the existing power cheating, contesting will not
be a very attractive sport in years to come.

The contest committees themselves must also of course make sure that ALL
committee members realize the full meaning of expression Zero Tolerance and
follow not only Assisted-rules but also Power-rules. "Responsible operation
of an amplifier" means:  Not to exceed the power limitations of the contest
and nothing else...

If organizers are not capable of handling Power Cheating, I can see a future
where new associations/clubs are founded with focus on Fair Play Radiosport.
Perhaps in the beginning, such groups will be considered a bit odd, but the
more people realize the serious situation with Power cheating, the more
support such groups will get and we can perhaps clean contesting from the

73 de RA/SM6LRR, Mats

2011/10/14 Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net>

> Why must the responsibility always be on the Contest Committee many
> thousands of miles away?  Who will be the first local group to stand up to
> the cheaters in their midst both directly, face to face, and by reporting
> them to the contest sponsors?  What are you afraid of?
> Randy, K5ZD
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> > bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mats Strandberg
> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:42 PM
> > To: e73m at e73m.com
> > Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
> >
> > This is what I intended to express...
> >
> > The power cheating is the big CHALLENGE of the present and future
> > contesting. WHO will be the first organizer deciding not to be an
> ostridge
> > concerning Power cheating?
> >
> > 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
> >
> >
> > 2011/10/13 <e73m at e73m.com>
> >
> > > Good question,
> > >
> > > How blatant can you get?
> > >
> > > Well, I will try again to bump the debate.
> > >
> > >  It is not fault of sellers but users who buy them and then drive them
> > > "responsibly".
> > > PVRC webinar from last Sunday, see at
> > > http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_2011.wmv , addressed issue of power and
> > > all I can get from those in charge of CQWW CC is :"be responsible and
> > fair".
> > > Another interesting thing was coined from K1DG and mentioned at
> > > webinar is SSSS (See Something, Say Something), related to 9/11 events
> > > and translated into contesting.
> > >
> > > Does CC wants us to be alert for big amps and report it to them? If we
> > > need to police contesters with links to sites showing blatantly their
> > > big amps (even stacked one above another with air vents moved on the
> > > side) , then why we need CC?
> > >
> > >
> > > This coming CQ WW phone I will do only 100w and I invite CC to appoint
> > > observer to come and check my power during the contest. Hope some will
> > > follow my footsteps and say the same but I really doubt.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   73 Danny E73M,
> > > http://www.e73m.com

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