[CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was: =>RE:Chea

[Mike Fatchett W0MU]

Any how are you going to police that?  There is no way to know if 
someone is using their own in house skimmer on CW or Digital.

Are the rules to make the contests better or are they in place so that 
everyone has to adhere to "your" rules?  It sounds like this is how you 
want to operate so this is how the rules will be applied.

Is this about rules or about limiting the potential for working more 
people and getting more people on and embracing new technologies?  It 
sounds more like this to me;  "the Nation's Fire Service, 200 years of 
tradition, unimpeded by progress" when it should be  "the Nation's Fire 
Service, new and improved! 200 years of tradition, progression and 
safety for all.'

We do this for FUN!  There are no million dollar prizes.  Why keep 
creating rules that can't be enforced and start making the rules more 
simple for both the participants and the sponsors.  All of this is done 
with volunteers, not paid staff that listen to the bands and show up at 
peoples doors to inspect their stations.


Mike W0MU

J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net


On 9/27/2011 10:33 AM, w5ov at w5ov.com wrote:
> Actually, it is.
>
> You have to have both locating AND identifying components performed by the
> operator.
>
> Of course, with digital modes, a decoder (a machine of some sort) is
> required as very few operators can decode RTTY or PSK (as just two
> examples) just with their ears.
>
> I think that for digital signals, if you are single op - without
> assistance, that the decoder should be single-channel (decoding just one
> signal at a time) and require that the operator select (tune in) a signal
> to begin the decoding process.
>
> IMO, a device like skimmer for CW (or something similar that does Digital
> modes), that simultaneously decodes all signals within a passband is
> clearly different and its use should be considered assisted operating for
> those modes as well.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
>
>> Bob,
>> Your explanation is not universal.
>> What about RTTY or PSK contests where "machine identifies every callsign"?
>>
>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Naumann"<W5OV at W5OV.COM>
>> To: "'Joe'"<nss at mwt.net>;<cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was:
>> =>RE:Chea
>>
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> You've lost the focus on what single operator means.
>>>
>>> It means that one operator *locates AND identifies* every callsign that
>>> he
>>> puts in his log.
>>>
>>> No machine does it for him (local or remote makes no difference), nor
>>> any
>>> other person.
>>>
>>> When you focus on what single op means, it becomes very easy to see what
>>> should be considered as assisted.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Bob W5OV
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>>> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe
>>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:41 AM
>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was:
>>> =>RE:
>>> Chea
>>>
>>> I never understand why this is always soo hard.
>>>
>>> Assisted,
>>> Another person or machine OUTSIDE your station helped you make or find
>>> contacts.
>>>
>>> Machine INSIDE your station is just that station equipment Not assisted.
>>>
>>> Person INSIDE your station helps you is also not called Assisted,  but
>>> it IS called MULTIOP
>>>
>>> Joe WB9SBD
>>>
>>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>>> Idle Tyme
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>>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>>
>>> On 9/26/2011 4:54 AM, Marijan Miletic, S56A wrote:
>>>> EI5DI wrote: To this I say that anyone who needs a CW decoder has no
>>>> business being in a CW contest - because they don't know CW.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know Baudot code so I used PC decoder this fabulous CQ WW RTTY
>>>> weekend.  I built DH1TW type SDR IF adapter in my FT-1000MP in order to
>>>> "see" 20 kHz bandwidth.  I also wrote my own program to decode all RTTY
>>>> callsigns within BUT if I use it, I am "assisted".  By whom?
>>>>
>>>> I feel digitally "restricted" without Extreme class :-(  This is NOT
>>>> good
>>>> for the best scientific hobby of 21st century as advertised by IARU.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Mario, S56A, N1YU
>>>>
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