[CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was: =>RE:Chea

Tue Sep 27 10:31:03 PDT 2011

The tiresome argument of "it can't be enforced" does not preclude the
establishment of a rule. The entrants can either choose to abide by the
rules or not. We have many rules that can't be policed - especially the
output power issue. Let's not get started on that one.

In this specific case, if someone operates as a single op, and does all of
the locating and identifying of those he logs - all by himself, he can
enter as single op (unassisted).

If he uses "spotting assistance of any kind" as it says in the CQWW rules,
he is then assisted. This would include the use of packet, skimmer, et al.

There's nothing to be ashamed of about entering as assisted. I enter every
contest as assisted. I like using packet and I like to know what's going
on. Who cares really?

Why do people want to enter as not being assisted while using assistance?
To what end? It proves nothing.

73,

Bob W5OV
Assisted and proud of it!

Go ahead, use packet, use skimmer, use the local 2m FM net if you still
have one, just list that you operated with assistance!

Really, why not?

> Any how are you going to police that?  There is no way to know if
> someone is using their own in house skimmer on CW or Digital.
>
> Are the rules to make the contests better or are they in place so that
> everyone has to adhere to "your" rules?  It sounds like this is how you
> want to operate so this is how the rules will be applied.
>
> Is this about rules or about limiting the potential for working more
> people and getting more people on and embracing new technologies?  It
> sounds more like this to me;  "the Nation's Fire Service, 200 years of
> tradition, unimpeded by progress" when it should be  "the Nation's Fire
> Service, new and improved! 200 years of tradition, progression and
> safety for all.'
>
> We do this for FUN!  There are no million dollar prizes.  Why keep
> creating rules that can't be enforced and start making the rules more
> simple for both the participants and the sponsors.  All of this is done
> with volunteers, not paid staff that listen to the bands and show up at
> peoples doors to inspect their stations.
>
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
>
>
> On 9/27/2011 10:33 AM, w5ov at w5ov.com wrote:
>> Actually, it is.
>>
>> You have to have both locating AND identifying components performed by
>> the
>> operator.
>>
>> Of course, with digital modes, a decoder (a machine of some sort) is
>> required as very few operators can decode RTTY or PSK (as just two
>> examples) just with their ears.
>>
>> I think that for digital signals, if you are single op - without
>> assistance, that the decoder should be single-channel (decoding just one
>> signal at a time) and require that the operator select (tune in) a
>> signal
>> to begin the decoding process.
>>
>> IMO, a device like skimmer for CW (or something similar that does
>> Digital
>> modes), that simultaneously decodes all signals within a passband is
>> clearly different and its use should be considered assisted operating
>> for
>> those modes as well.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Bob W5OV
>>
>>
>>> Bob,
>>> Your explanation is not universal.
>>> What about RTTY or PSK contests where "machine identifies every
>>> callsign"?
>>>
>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Naumann"<W5OV at W5OV.COM>
>>> To: "'Joe'"<nss at mwt.net>;<cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was:
>>> =>RE:Chea
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> You've lost the focus on what single operator means.
>>>>
>>>> It means that one operator *locates AND identifies* every callsign
>>>> that
>>>> he
>>>> puts in his log.
>>>>
>>>> No machine does it for him (local or remote makes no difference), nor
>>>> any
>>>> other person.
>>>>
>>>> When you focus on what single op means, it becomes very easy to see
>>>> what
>>>> should be considered as assisted.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Bob W5OV
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>>>> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:41 AM
>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was:
>>>> =>RE:
>>>> Chea
>>>>
>>>> I never understand why this is always soo hard.
>>>>
>>>> Assisted,
>>>> Another person or machine OUTSIDE your station helped you make or find
>>>> contacts.
>>>>
>>>> Machine INSIDE your station is just that station equipment Not
>>>> assisted.
>>>>
>>>> Person INSIDE your station helps you is also not called Assisted,  but
>>>> it IS called MULTIOP
>>>>
>>>> Joe WB9SBD
>>>>
>>>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
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>>>>
>>>> On 9/26/2011 4:54 AM, Marijan Miletic, S56A wrote:
>>>>> EI5DI wrote: To this I say that anyone who needs a CW decoder has no
>>>>> business being in a CW contest - because they don't know CW.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know Baudot code so I used PC decoder this fabulous CQ WW
>>>>> RTTY
>>>>> weekend.  I built DH1TW type SDR IF adapter in my FT-1000MP in order
>>>>> to
>>>>> "see" 20 kHz bandwidth.  I also wrote my own program to decode all
>>>>> RTTY
>>>>> callsigns within BUT if I use it, I am "assisted".  By whom?
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel digitally "restricted" without Extreme class :-(  This is NOT
>>>>> good
>>>>> for the best scientific hobby of 21st century as advertised by IARU.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 de Mario, S56A, N1YU
>>>>>
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