[CQ-Contest] LOTW and Contest Logs

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

Faked contacts....

The awards are your awards.  If people need to cheat to feel good about 
themselves too bad for them.

You having 350 confirmed has nothing to do with my totals.

You have just burdened CQ and ARRL with having to ensure that the 
operation is legit.  I don't know if the contest organizers even cared.  
DXCC and CQ awards probably care although CQ never asked for any 
paperwork on J6M, while I had to provide it to use LOTW.

This is getting way off the topic of contesting.  Uploading logs is a 
personal choice.  Make your own.

Mike W0MU

On 12/12/2012 2:20 PM, Edward Sawyer wrote:
> It seems to me that if LOTW focused on being a clearinghouse initially and a
> validator only when DXCC was applied for...it would be quite easy.
>
> Have CQ or ARRL submit only the "final logs" to LOTW. If a log is DQ'd it
> won't come, if a QSO is bad it won't come, only validated Qs come. If a
> current LOTW user has already uploaded their logs, overwrite those Qs with
> the final ones.
>
> Then be sure that the "licensed operation" that is associated with that log
> has been accepted as a valid DXCC operation just like is done with paper
> QSLs.
>
> I don't see how hard that would be.
>
> The irony of the current system of LOTW is that if 2 people "fake" that a
> QSO happened in LOTW, it is recorded as happening.  In a validated contest
> log, it has a much higher chance of being "outed" or "verified from a
> recording and removed".  Which process is more "high integrity"?
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Parry [mailto:bparry at rgv.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:07 PM
> To: sawyered at earthlink.net; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] LOTW and Contest Logs
>
> To upload logs to LOTW the QSOs need to be verified. Foreign stations need
> to submit verification of their license before they can get their log
> accepted. I have no problem with the concept but it would be more
> complicated that just uploading all the logs. It would make my job more
> complicated since I upload my contest logs into my logging program and then
> use the logging program to generate the appropriate files for upload. I do
> this each month so I would have to figure out which QSOs had been uploaded
> and which had not in my log.
>
> I would be fine with the concept but like to be able to opt out of that
> process. Years ago we used to be able to claim credit for contest QSOs based
> on the logs that were submitted for the ARRL contests.
>
> Bill W5VX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Edward Sawyer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:24 PM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] LOTW and Contest Logs
>
> I am sure this has been asked before, but why is it that contest logs are
> not just automatically uploaded onto LOTW.  The revenue is on the
> confirmation side so it would seem to be in the economic interest of the
> league to allow all contest submitted logs to populate LOTW.
>
>   
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
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