[CQ-Contest] Remote contesting

Jim Jordan, K4QPL k4qpl at nc.rr.com
Mon Nov 5 11:42:45 EST 2012

Well said, Kelly.

The issue is the point where the RF meets the air, not how the operator 
controls the radio. If that point is in the US, US law applies and the 
callsign must identify it accordingly. If in Thailand, who knows, but I 
would think if you own the radio and the antenna from which the RF emanates, 
then you are responsible and are the "control operator" whether there's an 
official term for it or not.

Could one also operate  Tree's station (with his consent of course) from 
another country under CEPT by signing W7/G3xxx? Maybe we could boost SS 
participation by signing up the hot EU ops to remote in to a station that 
would not otherwise be on the air. My god! I think I've just alerted NCCC to 
a secret weapon in the unlimited club competition against us in PVRC!


Jim, K4QPL

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelly Taylor" <ve4xt at mymts.net>
To: "Charles Harpole" <hs0zcw at gmail.com>; "Tree" <tree at kkn.net>
Cc: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote contesting

> Ummm,
> That's a question you'd have to put to the Thai authorities. I doubt Tree 
> is
> an expert in Thai law.
> Most of the rest of us don't care. It matters not a whit to me where the
> operator is located: if I work N6TR while Tree is in India or I work N6TR
> while Tree is at home, I'm still working an Oregon station. The only
> different is in the first case, Tree has much longer headphone and keyer
> lines than most of us...
> Indeed, if you could work it out, I'd say go for it! You would probably 
> have
> lots of customers.
> BTW: nobody is suggesting for a moment that remote contesting be used to 
> lie
> about transmitter or receiver location. Your customers would have to be
> honest about transmitting from and receiving in Thailand. It would be
> considered a violation of the 500-foot rule to use your station as an
> express-lane into Asia while pretending to be purely a K1.
> If we can find ways to keep people on the air (note, I said on the AIR)
> despite restrictive covenants, aging, business travel or any other
> impediments to operating from a home station, it's a good thing.
> 73, kelly
> ve4xt
> On 11/5/12 6:45 AM, "Charles Harpole" <hs0zcw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tree, is it ok for me to rent my shack to any licensed ham to use 
>> remotely
>> from anywhere to my shack in Thailand?  I guess the renter would have to
>> get a Thai license and use that call sign or maybe it is ok for him to 
>> use
>> my Thai call sign?  I guess the renter could not use his call sign from 
>> his
>> home location, like Kansas or whatever?  However, would I be liable for 
>> him
>> breaking Thai radio law?  I dont think Thailand says anything about being 
>> a
>> control operator.
>> Things have gotten complicated without the rules keeping up with them.  I
>> just say GL and 73, Charly HS0ZCW.
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Tree <tree at kkn.net> wrote:
>>> Paul, EI5DI writes:
>>>> It seems to me that remote-control contesting makes
>>>> about as much sense as remote-control hunting.
>>> I guess I am not seeing the correlation between the two.
>>> The nature of the way the radio works is that the human is interfacing 
>>> to
>>> what is happening in the RF playground using a "modem" if you will (the
>>> radio).  Inside modern radios - signals are likely being converted to a
>>> bunch of numbers and back into something the human can hear.  I don't 
>>> see
>>> how changing that signal back into a bunch of numbers and sending them 
>>> to
>>> the kitchen or India changes the nature of the "hunt" at all.  (I saw a
>>> posting from someone recently where they finished a contest in the 
>>> kitchen
>>> because they had to feed the kids he was "babysitting" while the contest
>>> was still on).
>>> When I "hunted" my last section - the experience was just the same as if 
>>> I
>>> was at home (except for trying to deal with the latency issue).  When 
>>> VE3ZI
>>> came back to "W7?" - it was a great feeling.  That's why we contest - 
>>> for
>>> the "feeling" - and it is no different.  I had to find the station - 
>>> figure
>>> out when (and where) to call him.  I would have gone through the same 
>>> exact
>>> steps if I were at the station.  The chase was the same.  Nobody helped 
>>> me
>>> "point the gun" or even load it.
>>> I can see something like this being a great option for people who don't
>>> have a station but want to get involved in a contest.  I know others are
>>> already doing this.  I don't see how this is a bad thing (other than it
>>> made me a bit more of a lid than I normally am).  More activity in the
>>> contest is good for the contest.
>>> Tree N6TR
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