[CQ-Contest] Why is he ashamed...my opinion

Tue Nov 27 23:27:18 EST 2012

Arnie, My friend, I totally agree. I would wager that if the "Exchange" was a real exchange instead a known number that the logging software gives us anyway,
the humongous QSO totals would drop seriously. Seriously all you have to copy is the callsign.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love CQWWCW. I'll operate it no matter what the exchange is short of Social Security numbers. 
Surely folks can take the time to ID after at least after a couple of QSOs.
 73, Tom K5IID

There is no joy in Mudville!

K5IID Tom Horton  Hillsboro, TX

E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau

Same call for 55 years!

--- On Tue, 11/27/12, N6hc <n6hc at aol.com> wrote:

From: N6hc <n6hc at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Why is he ashamed...my opinion
To: ve4xt at mymts.net, wn3vaw at verizon.net, cq-contest at contesting.com
Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 12:29 PM

I don't normally weigh in on these threads...in fact I usually just hit the delete button.? But this particular thread does strike a chord with me.? It has been a long time since I played in a DX contest, primarily because it is difficult to generate a great score in a DX contest from the left coast with a very modest set-up from a city lot....but also because contesting is supposed to be FUN.? It isn't fun when someone treats you rudely, e.g., does not respect your time by not identifying frequently.? There are just too many stations that identify too infrequently.? I understand the concept of saving nanoseconds when you?are trying to manage?a pile-up, but that doesn't justify?unseeming behavior.? If you can't handle the pile-up, then be a S & P'er.? When I participate in domestic contests, I strive to identify after EVERY contact.? When I am on a DXpedition, I strive to identify after EVERY contact.? If your callsign is too long, then apply for a
 special call; otherwise, do
  the polite thing and identify frequently.? No excuses!? I really believe that the contest sponsors should change the exchange and incorporate the callsign of the stations in the exchange, e.g., JA**** 5nn N6HC 03.? If each station does not identify on each end, it should be grounds for a DQ.?We ID in sprints and in SS.? It is not a new concept.? The CQWW is primarily a callsign copying event; most players already know the zone by the callsign.? It is almost superfluous to even send it!? ?Some may discount my opinion because I'm not a serious contester.? Fair enough...please just consider my opinion. I try not to criticize without offering a solution.
73, Arnie N6HC

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Taylor <ve4xt at mymts.net>
To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>; cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Why is he ashamed

Not to put too fine a point on it, but who wants to sit around waiting five 
minutes to see how long it takes for a station to ID anyway? Is ANY mult 
worth five minutes? (I will admit to those playing for DX hits only, your 
mileage may vary.) 

You make more Qs making Qs, no? 

73, kelly 
ve4xt 

On 11/27/12 10:07 AM, "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net> wrote: 

> "Every third or fourth Q" is annoying... but I can live with it.  That means 
> he's ID'ing every 30 seconds to 1 minute depending on his rate.  That's not 
> the issue. 
>   
> When a station chooses to ID only once every 5 minutes, however... that is the 
> issue. 
>  
>  
> On 11/27/12, Cqtestk4xs at aol.com wrote: 
>  
> Having been on the DX side of the pileups in a contest: 
>  
> Should he sign? Yes. Does he NEED to? Maybe? 
>  
> During a 350-400 hour signing CAN slow you down and any Qs left on the 
> table because the DX didn't sign will probably be picked up later by the same 
> stations passing by because he didn't sign...especially if the guy is 
> VQ9/WA1XYZ After all, if they didn't know who he was, the can't "boycott" him. 
>  
> Signing is absolutely necessary if the DX station works about 3 or 4 dupes 
> in a row in the middle of a 300+ hour. It's a sure sign he's been 
> misspotted.  
>  
> When the rate gets down to below 200 it is most definitely in the interest 
> of the DX station to sign since he most definitely doesn't want guys 
> passing him by during the slower times. 
>  
> This past weekend I played doing some runs and lots of S/Ping and can 
> understand the frustration of the guys when an ID doesn't come every Q. 
> However, having been on the other end of a 350-400 hour I can also understand 
> why  
> IDing every third or fourth Q makes sense (to the DX station). 
>  
> By the way the rates above refer to phone. Halve them for CW. 
>  
> Bill K4XS/KH7XS 
>  
>  
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