[CQ-Contest] Cheating as a moral issue

Shane Mattson-->K1ZR k1zr at comcast.net
Fri Sep 14 10:49:00 EDT 2012

I agree with Bill, this topic is in an endless loop.  


You cheat, you suck...plain and simple.  Seriously.....if you are the type of person that finds great pleasure in screwing the rest of the ham radio community please find something else to do with your life.....there are too many good people in this sport spending way too much time trying to prevent you from being a moron.  Go away. 


It would be nice if this reflector could focus on operating tactics, equipment, antenna projects, score analysis etc.....  


Suggestion for the contesting.com folks.....create a new reflector named "All things Cheating" 


Back to trying to make my station honestly louder before CQWW...... 







----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill Parry" < bparry @ rgv . rr .com> 
To: cq-contest at contesting.com 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:20:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [ CQ -Contest] Cheating as a moral issue 

Frankly I am really tired of this topic.  The idea that cheaters are hiding 
behind every tree is not something that I want to talk about.  This seems to 
be the favorite topic of a very small highly selected group that frequent 
this reflector. 

If the contest sponsors ( CQ for example) want to stop cheating, they should 
make the punishment so bad that no one would do it.  Like ban that person 
from contesting for life on all the CQ contests. Give them the death penalty 
or something.  A few years ago when we got into this mindset I decided to 
stop sending in my logs. I enter them into 3830 and I can see how I did. 
This will keep my logs from being involved in the witch-hunt that has become 
contesting. (With the exception of the one contest per year that we do a 
multi from my station). 

Bill W5VX 

-----Original Message----- 
From: CQ -Contest [ mailto :cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Kiessig 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 4:17 AM 
To: cq-contest at contesting.com 
Subject: [ CQ -Contest] Cheating as a moral issue 

My view is that cheating is primarily a moral issue, and that morality 
cannot be "legislated." You can't force someone to be moral. Rules won't 
make someone more moral. The moral must be chosen; you have to want to be 


If a cheater "wins," their victory will be hollow, because, as with all 
immoral actions, they will ultimately find it to be unsatisfying, and even 
damaging, because they know what they've done, even if no one else does. In 
addition, when others do find out about their cheating (as they often do), 
that's likely to further diminish the value of the win. 


Only an honest competitor will truly enjoy the win for the long term. 


Rules should be enforced, but they should also be enforceable. Yes, some 
cheats will slip through, maybe even some "winners." So what? People who 
don't care about cheating will continue to do what they do regardless of how 
many rules are applied. The rest of us should get on with our lives and not 
let the few bad apples spoil this great sport. 


To reinforce this point, I would like to suggest a move in the opposite 
direction from Yuri's recent post: fewer rules all around, not more. Rules 
should be enforceable, which means they should be based on what's reported 
in logs and maybe some limited (reliable) secondary data. Trying to 
legislate things like power levels, assisted vs. not, use of a local 
Skimmer, and so on, is just a waste of time and effort. 


Fewer rules would also make it easier for those of us who are honest to be 
more confident that we haven't accidentally broken some rule (for example, 
if I left my PC in the other room connected to a cluster, but didn't use it 
during the contest, will I be considered by others to be assisted or not?). 
If you do have an honest win, why spoil it with some nagging doubt about 
whether you fully, absolutely complied with the rules? 


73, Rick ZL2HAM 


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