[CQ-Contest] R: RE: My RED CARD - IT9GSF

Tue Apr 9 03:11:04 EDT 2013

Fabio, 

there is no reason to be angry and Brian have 100% right

If you violated rules by mistake even deliberately you had choice to avoid
problems you get into
sending your log into other category, sending your log as check log or ask
contest organizer what to do?

But what did you do? You change your log to fit into MS even you know this
is wrong!
Now after log checker discovered rule violation you talking about wrong log
file :) 
Hard to believe.....
I am pretty sure if no one look at your log and you were in results,
you were not complaining about it, even you know it was wrong!

So far I can see you just wanted to avoid RED CARD because of WRTC
participation  and after no success 
with contest organizer now you are bothering WRTC director with it!

It was your decision and you could act different, now be man took the
consequences !!

73s
Braco

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] Im Auftrag von
brian coyne
Gesendet: Montag, 08. April 2013 22:42
An: CQ CONTEST
Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] R: RE: My RED CARD - IT9GSF

Fabrio,
During the event you observed that your 'Red Lamp/Blue Lamp' system was not
functioning as intended, also that your logs were not synchronizing. It was
therefore obvious that your group were not conforming to the rules of the
M/S category.

You subsequently 'Doctored' your log to make it fit when as a startegic
decision you should have entered M/2 or whatever category rules you would be
conforming with before submitting your log. It is of no use to say that CC
should have moved you to M/2 once you had been 'found out'.

Regrettable as it is, the 'Red Card'  decision was a correct one, you should
accept that and learn from it.

73  Brian 5B4AIZ.

________________________________
 From: "fabio.grisafi at libero.it" <fabio.grisafi at libero.it>
To: dougk1dg at gmail.com; cq-contest at contesting.com
Sent: Monday, 8 April 2013, 0:15
Subject: [CQ-Contest] R: RE:  My RED CARD - IT9GSF

Dear Director, Mr. Doug Grant, K1DG.

thank you for your answer. I have sent the message to the community because
I think it is our (the community) interest to know how things work.

(Excuse my english, but I hope I make me undertood by everyone reading).

First of all, it was not my intention to insult anyone and I wish to excuse
me if I - not intentionally - gave that idea of insulting.

I didn't say there was a conspiracy against IT9GSF and IZ3EYZ and I didn't
insult the WRTC2014 Board of Directors, neither K5ZD, neither you.

Here in Italy, and I think in USA too, you cannot affirm somebody have
insulted you if you don't have any proof. In my writing there is not any
single word that insults.

But I can affirm, and nobody cannot prove it is not the truth, that there
were bad sportmanslike facts and communications made by some of the members
of the CQWW CC against our station (II9P) before the partecipation to the
CQWW CW in the first part of November 2012. (I have the proof).

I can affirm, and nobody cannot prove it is not the truth, that the CQWW
Contest Committee made an other disqualification for the CQWW CW contest to
a fellow amateur radio operator with false statements and false proofs and
that this disqualification (Red Card) was abandoned (cancelled) because the
evidence was published (ask K5ZD).

This is, in all the evidence, the proof that there are two weights or two
measures and/or that there was a prejudice against that operator.

About my "deliberate" violation of the rules, that - for you - "was not an
accident", I confirm it was an accident because of some elements, these:

1) I had no time, few hours before the deadline, to recognize the original
cabrillo file.
Better, I can say I deleted the original file, as I received the original
one some days after the deadline by an other member of the team.

2) I had many QSOs, in the cabrillo file I had after WT processing, not
sequencially ordered because our computers in the operating desks were not
syncronized and I did some mistakes making order, changing times, and
marking QSOs as X-QSOs. Then, yes, as I said, I did some rubber clocking but
just to put our log in the category, not to cheat or surpass somebody else.

As I wrote in all the previous communications to the Contest Committee, I am
not asking to be free of any card, but I was writing that a RED CARD is too
much for such a limited thing.

In fact, in every sport - or game - a RED CARD is given only when a player
makes any other competitor unable to win, or surpassed.

In fact, as the CQWW CC said, our log has 23 rubber clocking QSOs that are
more than 18, the maximum number allowed.

As I demonstrated, the number of QSOs with times not corresponding to the
right time is well below number 18.

And for me, and others, an absolute number has not any meaning in different
logs with different numbers of QSOs (18 in 6202 QSOs is 0,29 % ...in a log
with 1000 QSOs is 1,8%).

So, again - but for the last time I promise - because I don't like to
continue any polemic debate, now that you (You Director and the CQWW CC)
have all the elements:

- I ask the Contest Committee to convert the RED CARD to a YELLOW CARD
because of the venial irregularity (why Yellow Cards do exist?)

and, consequentially, 

- I ask the WRTC Board of Directors to re-admit IT9GSF (and IZ3EYZ) in the
WRTC ranking.

Hope you will meet the general rules of your Constitution and, in this case,
the 8th Amendment.

And, of course, I hope to meet you in the next future!

Best regards,

Dr. Fabio Grisafi - IT9GSF - Italy.

>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: dougk1dg at gmail.com
>Data: 07/04/2013 20.00
>A: <cq-contest at contesting.com>, "Fabio 
>Grisafi"<fabio.grisafi at libero.it>
>Ogg: RE: [CQ-Contest] My RED CARD - IT9GSF
>
>Hello, Fabio -
>
>Thank you for your email. I received your direct email yesterday 
>morning, and was unable to respond immediately. I see that you have now 
>chosen to air this issue publicly on CQ-Contest, thus I will respond 
>publicly.
>
>First, congratulations on your excellent scores from the II9T and II9P 
>stations. I know how hard it is to build a competitive contest station, 
>and you can be proud of your successes. I also compliment you on 
>inviting guest operators to share your stations and bringing new ops 
>into multi-ops.
>
>I am sorry to hear that your team received a Red Card in the 2012 CQWW 
>SSB. I am sure that the CQWW Contest Committee took this action only 
>after carefully considering all the available data (I am a member of 
>the CQWW Committee, but was not involved in any of the Card decisions).
>
>As you know, the rule regarding WRTC ineligibility for operators who 
>have received Red Cards or equivalent disqualification from any 
>Qualifying Event was added for the 2010 WRTC in Russia. This is a very 
>good rule, and insures that all Team Leaders and Team Members have 
>obeyed the rules and are careful with their log submissions.
>Submitting a log correctly is a part of entering a contest. This rule 
>was enforced impartially in Russia and is being enforced impartially 
>for WRTC2014. There was at least one Russian operator who was unable to 
>compete in WRTC2010 in his homeland due to receiving a Red Card. I am 
>sure that this was a difficult decision for the WRTC2010 organizers and 
>a great disappointment for that operator.
>
>This rule is in place for all potential Team Leaders and Team Members.
>You and Matteo are not the only operators who received Red Cards and 
>are not eligible for WRTC2014. Suggesting that there is a conspiracy 
>against IT9GSF and IZ3EYZ is ridiculous and is an insult to the
>WRTC2014 Board of Directors and to K5ZD and to me.
>
>WRTC2014 will not make exceptions to the eligibility rule, and will not 
>ask contest sponsors to change their decisions on cards. We rely on the 
>integrity and fairness of the contest sponsors to make the correct 
>decisions regarding their entries. In your case, I note in your 
>original message:
>
>   "I then did the bad thing; I changed some times in some QSOs...
>   I now know this thing was enough to disqualify me, and all the 
>members
>   of the team, from the CQWW SSB 2012. I know it is a very bad thing. "
>
>Yes, it was a very bad thing. It was a deliberate violation of the 
>rules, and not an accident.
>
>I am sorry that you and Matteo will not be eligible to enter WRTC2014 
>as competitors. I hope you will get on the air and provide lots of QSOs 
>and multipliers for the competing stations and submit a log that we can 
>use for cross-checking. I wish you continuing success and high scores 
>at your new station, and wish you the best for qualifying for future 
>WRTCs.
>
>73,
>
>Doug K1DG
>President, WRTC2014
>

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