[CQ-Contest] Summarizing the Skimmer Accuracy Thread

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

Gee, that's not as bad as I thought it would be, given the number of 
logs and QSOs in CQWW.  Maybe we contesters are better than we give 
ourselves credit for!

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 2/22/2013 2:28 PM, Valery Petrov wrote:
> I have just created a simple tool to create virtual logs and play with busted calls.
> Based on CQ WW CW 2012 public logs.
>
> Enter any call and see how many people have it in their logs.
>
> http://rate.pileup.ru/vlog.php?call=EK3LR
>
> 73!
> Valery
> R5GA
>
>
> 21.02.2013, 05:18, "w5ov at w5ov.com" <w5ov at w5ov.com>:
>> Add the 20 EK1LZ spots to all the others and it becomes a big problem. 20
>> bad calls each spotted 20 times is 400 bad spots. When you look at the
>> problem collectively, it becomes more apparent as to the impact.
>>
>> If the 20 EK1LZ spots were the only errors, that would not be so bad - I
>> guess... but that's not the case.
>>
>> W5OV
>>
>>>   HS0ZCW wrote:  Just so you know, I am breaking my face with a grin at all
>>>   the bad news re Skimmer...
>>>
>>>   Let me combine these two comments from my 1991 ARRL CW experience with
>>>   over
>>>   200 QSO worked by robot.  I was #5 at Dayton and twice EU CW simulated
>>>   pileup champ with about 60% correct calls.  IBM AT with 12 MHz clock using
>>>   TI DSP board at 30 MHz beat me badly with 80 %.  I got humble and let it
>>>   run
>>>   on the air.  No problem apart from the band opening with the ringing
>>>   signals.  I was better then knowing to EXPECT KC1XX, W3LPL, K3LR and all
>>>   the
>>>   other big guns I worked million times.  It was not my ears and CW brain
>>>   behind it but PRIOR KNOWLEDGE.  My repeated CW robot efforts recently
>>>   managed Morse Runner in HST mode at 50 wpm and 3K points.  My score was
>>>   1K7.
>>>
>>>   Now I can use master.dta for additional verification on my GHz TB PC.
>>>   EK3LR
>>>   is not there but I might miss TO5X, HA30S!
>>>
>>>   Beware that we catch Skimmer faults on the callsigns we mainly know but he
>>>   digs a lot of weak ones we might skip in time/space collision.  Skimmer
>>>   does
>>>   it 24/7 with accuracy better than 1 %.  Digital modes entered 21st century
>>>   while hams are in the dark with SSB speech recognition despite limited
>>>   spelling vocabulary.
>>>
>>>   Thanks to Tor, N4OGW for great work on SDR contesting!  ARRL & IARU:
>>>   Hamradio is the best scientific hobby of 21st century.
>>>
>>>   LP MMM S56A
>>>
>>>   P.S.  Bob, EK1LZ was spoted only 20 times!  I forgot to check OC Krassy.
>>>   I
>>>   am more on numbers than Latin - hi.
>>>
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: w5ov at w5ov.com [mailto:w5ov at w5ov.com]
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:22 PM
>>>   To: Marijan Miletic, S56A
>>>   Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>   Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Summarizing the Skimmer Accuracy Thread
>>>
>>>   Mario,
>>>
>>>   Your analysis is not correct. It has nothing to do with EK3LR spots as I
>>>   would not have seen them. Locally, this is blocked from the K3LR system
>>>   and
>>>   we don't see them or send them out.
>>>
>>>   It is the many, many other errors that persisted throughout the contest of
>>>   calls being spotted wrong, over and over and over.
>>>
>>>   Some examples:
>>>   C6AGP was spotted as many other callsigns HA30S (H A Three Zero S) was
>>>   spotted as T30S and others N2NT was spotted as T2NT K1LZ was spotted as
>>>   EK1LZ et al ad infinitum
>>>
>>>   Yes, there were many others and they varied.
>>>
>>>   It became exhausting to clear the bandmap of all of these repeated errors
>>>   over and over and over again.
>>>
>>>   It got to the point that there seemed to be more busted spots than good
>>>   ones. At that point, the value of this over the old-fashioned(?) human
>>>   packet network really becomes a concern.
>>>
>>>   Skimmer is a good thing, but propagating these repeated errors all over
>>>   the
>>>   globe makes little sense to me.
>>>
>>>   W5OV
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