[CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted

[Jukka Klemola]

I was expecting someone to point out the final truth about shooting fish in
the barrel.

It cannot be done.

Not even with aiming assistance.
Not even with assistance and an over powered rifle.
Not even with a shot gun.

Mythbusters tested it.

It is to be noted at least one of them is a ham operator, so the test
result is acceptable also on this forum.


73,
Jukka OH6LI


2013/1/26 Robert Chudek - K0RC <k0rc at citlink.net>

> "Shooting fish in a barrel"... not an accurate corollary... more like
> "Fishing with a fish locator"... just because you know where they are, you
> still have to lure them onto your line.
>
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
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> On 1/25/2013 10:09 PM, Jim Jordan wrote:
>
>> 100% agree, Hans. Anyone who has never enjoyed the thrill of finding his
>> own contacts without assistance has never experienced real operating.
>> Fishermen catching their own shouldn't have to compete with those shooting
>> fish in a barrel.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jim, K4QPL
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com>
>> To: <k5zd at charter.net>
>> Cc: "Pete Smith N4ZR" <n4zr at contesting.com>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 8:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
>>
>>
>>  Sorry Randy, but "pure" SO should NOT be required to compete with
>>> assisted
>>> operators.  There is no logical reason to require it.
>>>
>>> There is a large community of good contesters who wish to compete with
>>> their non-assisted peers, not with those who use outside assistance.
>>>
>>> Why does this stupid idea keep rising out of the mud?
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB/K7
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 25, 2013, Randy Thompson K5ZD wrote:
>>>
>>>  For these contests where there is no assisted category, instead of
>>>> making
>>>> yet another category, why not just allow single ops to use assistance?!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone licensed in the last 15 years has never experienced life without
>>>> the
>>>> DX Cluster.  Perhaps it is time to accept this as it is - the new
>>>> normal.
>>>>
>>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: CQ-Contest > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@**contesting.com<cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com>
>>>> <javascript:;>]
>>>> On Behalf Of
>>>> > Pete Smith N4ZR
>>>> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:32 PM
>>>> > To: cq-contest at contesting.com <javascript:;>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
>>>> >
>>>> > What Rich says is correct.  I would just add that the ARRL 10 and 160
>>>> > contests are severely anachronistic in this respect. Nobody is
>>>> > suggesting that assistance be allowed for "pure" single-ops, but
>>>> surely
>>>> > there should be a SOA category in these contests. That there is not >
>>>> dates
>>>> > back to the earliest days of DX clusters.  To my knowledge, nobody has
>>>> > advanced a reason for keeping the status quo.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have been in correspondence with the CAC and various directors about
>>>> > this, and one told me that action might be taken in the January ARRL
>>>> > Board meeting, which has just taken place.  Why it requires a
>>>> decision > at
>>>> > that level is beyond me, but that's what we have.  Now waiting for
>>>> > detailed minutes to learn what, if anything, was done.
>>>> >
>>>> > 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>> > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>>> > http://reversebeacon.net,
>>>> > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
>>>> > For spots, please go to your favorite
>>>> > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 1/25/2013 8:51 AM, Richard DiDonna NN3W wrote:
>>>> > > Usually if it says nothing, the assumption is that you must classify
>>>> > yourself as multi-single as the single operator rules have language >
>>>> about
>>>> > the -operator- doing all of the activity.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ARRL 160 and ARRL 10 do not have separate assisted categories -
>>>> > necessitating that assisted ops enter as multi single entries.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 73 Rich NN3W
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ----- Reply message -----
>>>> > > From: Ktfrog007 at aol.com <javascript:;>
>>>> > > Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:30 am
>>>> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
>>>> > > To: <cq-contest at contesting.com <javascript:;>>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > If a contest's rules say nothing about Assisted operation, does that
>>>> > > mean it's allowed without restriction?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Note that Single-Op has no uniform definition.  For example, in the
>>>> > > ARRL RTTY Roundup, Single-Ops cannot be Assisted, while in the CQ
>>>> WPX
>>>> > > RTTY everyone can operate Assisted.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 73,
>>>> > > Kermit (Ken) AB1J
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