[CQ-Contest] Logs - Upload don't email

Bob Naumann W5OV at W5OV.COM
Thu Jun 13 08:07:11 EDT 2013

None of these technical speculations really solve this problem do they?

Q: What is the answer?  

A: The answer is that the sender has *total responsibility* to send the
email to the right address.  When he does, the robot will respond with a
confirmation - usually within minutes if not sooner.

So, if the sender does not get a confirmation that his log was received in
good order, *he alone has the responsibility* to follow up on it. 

The contest sponsor has absolutely no responsibility until the log is
correctly received by their "robot" system.

So - what should you do?

1) Check that you're sending to the right address
2) Send your properly formatted log 
3) Watch for a confirmation from the robot
  a) If you don't get a confirmation in a reasonable time:
	1) Check YOUR SPAM folder/system to see if it's there
	2) If not, then go back to step #1
  b) If you do get a confirmation, you're all set.

de W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Sean Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:07 PM
To: Katsuhiro Kondou
Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Logs - Upload don't email

I suppose I was a bit lax in terminology.

It technically doesn't violate the SMTP spec to not send a DSN, but from the
RFC 5321 (SMTP) and RFC 821 (Old SMTP) standards, both state that if a
message is not able to be forwarded or delivered, "the message MUST be
returned as undeliverable." (RFC 5321) There is exceptions for things like
harmful or invalid return addresses, but I'd presume a log sent from a
properly formatted email address is neither of those.

It breaks a lot of things, including user expectations, to just have a
message disappear into the ether.


Sean - VA5LF

On 2013-06-12, at 6:21 PM, Katsuhiro Kondou <kondou at voyackey.net> wrote:

> In article <D1B4A9A8-E416-4CF4-97D3-DB349FD24DBE at unixgeeks.ca>,
> 	Sean Cavanaugh <seanc at unixgeeks.ca> wrote,
> 	on "Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:26:38 -0600";
>> Most servers send back a Delivery Status Notification (DSN) saying the
mail was undeliverable. I'm rather surprised the ARRL server doesn't, as it
is very useful for both informing someone they sent the message to the wrong
address, and for diagnosing any mail delivery problems that occur. It also
violates the applicable standards (RFC 5321), but it seems a lot of people
are willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to
fighting spam.
> I don't think it violate, since DSN is RFC3461, which is
> just an SMTP extention.
> -- 
> Katsuhiro "Don" Kondou, JH5GHM
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