[CQ-Contest] WRTC renamed?

Sat Oct 19 11:32:31 EDT 2013

I said in my post that what was done was within the rules.  Does that 
mean I have to agree with the rules or agree with the Captains selection?

In my letter to the WRTC, the selections of teammates outside the 
specific area  ie NA10, while within the rules, does not encourage a 
sense of rooting for the home team when the team is populated with non 
area members.

These events like the discussion of the College football playoff will 
always have people or teams on the fringe who are not able to participate.

Is there a problem with having open, honest discussions?  I would like 
to hear from WRTC if the desire was to have local teams within the 
geographical areas or was this simply a way to assist in  determining 
the captains?

The Grand Mesa Contest Club sponsored a tent for the event, which I 
believed at the time as good the hobby.  1/2 the donations were raised 
by soliciting funds from individuals and the other half was matched by 
the club.  I personally donated to the fund.  There were a number of 
members who were against spending club funds on this endeavor.  With 
some of the views expressed on the list, I am starting to side with 
those people in their evaluation on what the WRTC is and this may change 
my decision in the future.

Mike W0MU

On 10/19/2013 8:08 AM, Steve London wrote:
> Like it or not, W0UA got beat fair-and-square. 
> http://wrtc-rank.com/opdetails.php?rank_type=claimed&op=ku1cw and 
> http://wrtc-rank.com/opdetails.php?rank_type=claimed&op=w0ua tell the 
> story. In head-to-head competition, KU1CW (operating from KU1CW/0 or 
> N0NI) beat W0UA a number of times. W0UA only beat KU1CW once.
>
> It was very close between KU1CW and W0UA. That is good competition. 
> W0UA lost because of the operating category he chose to operate. See 
> CQWW CW 2011 as an example. W0UA operated with the K0RF multi-multi. 
> That limited his maximum score to 800 points. If he had operated a 
> competitive single-op, or competitive multi-single, he would have had 
> close to 1000 points, and been the NA10 team leader. The same analysis 
> could be made for ARRL DX CW 2011, NAQP CW 2011-Jan, CQWW CW 2010. 
> Operating ANY of these 4 contests as a competitive single-op would 
> have made W0UA the NA10 winner.
>
> 73,
> Steve, N2IC
>
>
> On 10/19/2013 02:36 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>> I felt the same way Steve when I looked at the NA10 listing. In fact, I
>> wrote the WRTC with my comments.
>>
>> At least 7 of NA10 captain scores were from outside the area. 9 of his
>> scores are from multi ops, 5 from the area and 4 outside the area. 7 of
>> his scores appear to be from his home station. He picked someone from EU
>> to operate with him. W0UA and K0EU were very very close behind with K0EU
>> being credited with all scores in NA10. W0UA's points except for two
>> Multi's in the USA, were from NA10.
>>
>> All of which is legal within the rules as they appear today. The NA10
>> team or any team should come from that area. On a cursory inspection 2
>> other Captains chose people outside the respective areas.
>>
>> I suggest that the top 50 scores are used or only count scores from
>> within the area.
>>
>> Do I feel like the NA10 team represents the NA10 area? No.
>>
>> Mike W0MU
>>
>> On 10/18/2013 7:19 PM, steve.root at culligan4water.com wrote:
>>> "The world was divided into regions. Qualifiers were only competing
>>> with others in their same region in order to qualify."
>>>
>>> Except that some of the regions are enormous, thus ignoring the
>>> realities of propagation.
>>> Except that rules allowed for half of the qualifying scores to happen
>>> anywhere else on Earth, like the Caribbean.
>>> Except that the rules allow a team leader to pick a partner from
>>> anywhere on Earth.
>>>
>>> The rules sound good in theory but in practice one whole operator and
>>> half of the other operator have NOTHING to do with any given
>>> geographical area.
>>>
>>> 73 Steve K0SR
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Randy Thompson K5ZD [mailto:k5zd at charter.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 08:01 PM
>>> To: ''Charles Harpole'', ''CQ-Contest Reflector''
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC renamed?
>>>
>>> Go back and read the qualifying rules
>>> again.http://www.wrtc2014.org/qualifying/team-selection/The world was
>>> divided into regions. Qualifiers were only competing withothers in
>>> their same region in order to qualify.Yes, there are more teams from
>>> Eu and NA, but that is because there are morecontesters in those
>>> places.The WRTC2014 committee added more teams than ever before in an
>>> attempt toget as many competitors from around the world as possible.
>>> It is very hardto squeeze the approximately 20,000 active contesters
>>> in the world down toonly 118 competitors!Randy, K5ZD> -----Original
>>> Message-----> From: CQ-Contest
>>> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of> Charles
>>> Harpole> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:45 PM> To: CQ-Contest
>>> Reflector> Subject: [CQ-Contest] WRTC renamed?> > World Radio Team
>>> Competition could easily be re-named ....> NA/EU Team Competition with
>>> some token others thrown in.> > I like the WRTC, its organizers, and
>>> the excitement it adds to ham radio.
>>>
>>> But, let us not pretend the selection process has found the whole list
>>> of> highly accomplished contesters.> > Some will just not want to do
>>> it even if in the top ten often. Some live> in parts of the world
>>> where their scores in contests as the contests now> exist can never
>>> turn huge numbers. That would be residents of most of> Africa and many
>>> parts of Asia.> > Example, if Asia gives you one point and you live in
>>> the HUGE continent> of Asia, you are in the hole compared to other
>>> locations.> > Please do not think I am rooting for myself; I am not,
>>> but I do know> some really talented Asians left out by the structure.
>>> Further, I do not> think this disparity can be easily fixed. But, WRTC
>>> is a "world" event> the same as the baseball "world" series is what
>>> its name implies.> > Actually, virtually anything that will get ops
>>> off the computer and on> the air has to be a good thing, but it is not
>>> healthy for NA/EU to think> of> themselves as the WHOLE world. 73> >
>>> --> Charly, HS0ZC
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