[CQ-Contest] NILs hurt

Wed Sep 4 10:55:06 EDT 2013

This below is a problem with many of the giant pileup stations. if you 
need them to correct your information, you're mostly out of luck. I'm a 
probably minority here.
I am in the class of copy and make sure absolute positive you got it 
right of what was heard.

I would even go for that get the exchange wrong? Yes you are penalized 
not only for that Q, but the total value of the Q before and after the 
bad Q is removed also. There needs to be strong consequences to not 
listening and get the exchange correct, just so you can keep your rate up.

Joe WB9SBD
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On 9/4/2013 7:58 AM, ve4xt at mymts.net wrote:
> Jukka
>
> Yes, however, that's often easier said than done.
>
> Many, many times I've worked a running station and have had to correct him/her on a piece of the exchange, he's so busy in the pileup he either doesn't hear you or doesn't consider a fix important enough.
>
> Nobody should be expected to continue sacrificing other QSOs to keep banging head against wall for too much time, and that amount of time is roughly the same as what the 'mult worth' calculator of some loggers would show, IMHO.
>
> If you can fix the Q, do it. If you can't, all you can do is move on. If his error is big enough, you'll lose the Q anyway, so no real loss.
>
> Kelly
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2013, at 7:29, "Jukka Klemola" <jpklemola at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How come so many suggest stopping there, removing the QSO and then tuning
>> for the next frequency?
>>
>>
>> I was expecting someone or anyone suggesting calling again the station that
>> is on thr frequency and is not in your log.
>> Why go and try to find a next frequency as you already are on a frequency
>> of a station that you do not have in your log?
>>
>> Finalise the QSO ..
>>
>> That will yield you more QSOs at the end of the contest.
>> It also produces a bigger score.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Jukka OH6LI
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/4 <ve4xt at mymts.net>
>>
>>> Surely, if there's been a good-faith effort to get the Q, leave it in the
>>> log.
>>>
>>> But if you know the Q is not complete, and your best efforts to complete
>>> it fail, by getting a fill or correcting his error, then there is no Q to
>>> remove. It didn't exist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2013, at 20:48, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it is a very poor practice to receive a report, send your report
>>> and
>>>> then removed the station from your log unless you have a good reason to
>>>> believe that the station did not log you.  There should be something in
>>> the
>>>> rules prohibiting this practice.  Most stations will ask you to repeat
>>> the
>>>> report and work hard to copy it correctly before moving on to the next
>>>> station.  If the station just sends his callsign, QRZ,  dit dit, etc,
>>> that
>>>> may be his way of acknowledging the contact and moving on to the next
>>>> caller.  Listen to the operator's operating style before calling.
>>>>
>>>> John KK9A / P40A
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <KB3LIX at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <john at kk9a.com>; "Contest, CQ" <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 19:59
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] NILs hurt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I consider an acknowledgement to be a:
>>>>
>>>> TU
>>>> OK
>>>> GL
>>>> Got it
>>>>
>>>> Something along those lines. CERTAINLY nothing fancy,
>>>> just a reply that they got the exchange. Frankly, I do NOT want
>>>> them to repeat MY exchange, that wastes too much time, mine and theirs.
>>>>
>>>> Many times I will try to ask IF they got the exchange, and most if not
>>>> all times they just keep slugging away.
>>>>
>>>> Understand, I am not a biggie.
>>>> 100w, a 4BTV & a homemade 130' doublet, so I do not
>>>> have a "big mouth" and when I ask for a confirmation, I am often
>>>> drowned out by the cacophony of other callers.
>>>>
>>>> I have lost quite a few multipliers due to my impatience or
>>>> stubbornness or whatever it is and that HURTS, but I cannot in good
>>>> consience
>>>> count Q's that I do not consider complete.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bill   73   KB3LIX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: john at kk9a.com
>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>> Cc: KB3LIX at comcast.net
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 12:04:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] NILs hurt
>>>>
>>>> What do you consider an acknowledgement?  Many stations, including
>>> myself,
>>>> running at a high rate, just give a quick TU, thanks or just say their
>>>> callsign looking for the next contact. I never repeat your exchange. If I
>>>> did not copy it I would ask for a repeat.
>>>>
>>>> John P40A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To:"Contest, CQ" <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
>>>> Subject:[CQ-Contest] Fwd: NILs hurt
>>>> From:KB3LIX at comcast.net
>>>> Date:Sun, 1 Sep 2013 03:53:16 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> List-post:<cq-contest at contesting.com">mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>
>>>> If I do not get a solid acknowledgement from another station in a
>>> contest,
>>>> I DELETE the ENTRY in my logging program.
>>>> Of course, I am NOT a big time contester, just a small fish,
>>>> but I figure if they are in too much of a rush to skip the confirmation,
>>>> they DESERVE the NIL...Not me.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure most will say I am FOS, but too bad.
>>>> That is my way of doing things.
>>>>
>>>> bill   KB3LIX
>>>>
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