[CQ-Contest] Fwd: Re: Move to disband MAR section in Canada (forcontesting)

Fri Oct 31 14:31:25 EDT 2014

I don't know the optimum structure for the ARRL or RAC field
organization is, but it's not really a debate for a contesting
reflector, its for the board of directors of those organizations to
decide.

As stated, the impact of the field organization structure on
contesting is probably not even on the radar screen when those
decisions are made.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:03 PM, ussailis at shaysnet.com
<ussailis at shaysnet.com> wrote:
> Let me propose something similar:
>
> Lets take the northern New England states, VT, NH, ME and call them the NNE
> section. Why?
>
> Based on population of those states compared to the total US population,
> they comprise 1.02%, while the population of MAR compared to that of Canada
> is 5.1%. So if MAR is necessary for some unpopulated area, shouldn't NNE be
> likewise?
>
> Even in industry, demographics and more NNE is similar to MAR.
>
> Or should MAR become NB, NS, and PEI?
>
> Which makes the most sense??
>
>
> Jim, W1EQO / VA1TM
>
>
>
> Original email:
> -----------------
> From: Steve Rodowicz vze2prfs at verizon.net
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 05:35:05 -0400
> To: ussailis at shaysnet.com, w1eqo at shaysnet.com, ussailis at verizon.net
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [CQ-Contest] Move to disband MAR section in Canada
> (forcontesting)
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:        Re: [CQ-Contest] Move to disband MAR section in Canada (for
> contesting)
> Date:   Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:16:30 -0300
> From:   <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
> To:     Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>, CQ-contest at contesting.com
> CC:     ve5sf at rac.ca
>
>
>
> Ron,
> We're NOT special-that's my point exactly.  We are SEPARATE PROVINCES.
> Tell me what US STATES are lumped together as a single multiplier?
> NONE, that's how many.
>
> Mike VE9AA (NB)
> ---- Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net> wrote:
>> So your argument is, for those contest that use ARRL/RAC sections for
> multipliers, you do NOT want to use the MAR section designation, but your
> provinces.
>>
>> Because some contests use the individual provinces as multipliers,
> therefore all should, even though the Maritime section contains multiple
> provinces.
>>
>> And one of the justifications for this is that the Ontario SECTION was
> split into 4 sections.
>>
>> Sorry.  Your logic fails.  (IMHO)
>>
>> Look, if you want to administratively split up the MAR section into
> separate sections for each province, and can convince the RAC of that, go
> for it.  I'm all for it.  And that would give you those extra multipliers
> by default.
>>
>> But otherwise, it just doesn't make sense.  How would you write the rule?
>> "4.  Multipliers.  ARRL or RAC Sections.
>> 4a.  Except for the Maritime section.  They're special. "
>>
>> Sorry.  Just can't see it.
>>
>> 73, ron w3wn
>>
>> On 10/30/14, Mike & Coreen Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>
>> The following is from Al, VA1MM but I 100% support him. See my own (VE9AA)
>> comments below his:
>>
>>
>>
>> VA1MM:
>>
>>
>>
>> A group of us contesters here in the "MAR" section feel the time has come
> to
>> announce the end of the MAR section in not only ARRL contests but all
>> contests. When our Department of Communications (now Industry Canada)
>> granted us separate prefixes for New Brunswick (VE9), Nova Scotia (VE1)
> and
>> Prince Edward Island (VY2), they recognized they we were distinct
> Provinces
>> with enough Amateur Radio operators to support a distinct call sign. And
> as
>> multipliers go, why wouldn't you want to have three new districts to work
>> when multiplied by six bands you have a substantial increase in your
> scores.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have tried to weigh the pros and cons, the only con would be the
> contest
>> software not keeping up with the change or the operator not downloading
> the
>> newest version, but do we wait forever? Ontario (VE3) lead the way with
>> their divisional split, now it's time for the Maritimes to be recognized
> as
>> NS, NB and PEI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank-you, Al VA1MM/ VE1AWP (NS) Maritime Contest Club Member
>>
>> -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
>>
>> VE9AA, Mike says:
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been moaning and groaning about this very thing for years and years.
>> SOME ARRL contests force us to send MAR (a very antiquated section) and
> some
>> permit us to send NB, NS and PEI (the provinces where we are)
>>
>> Meanwhile, places like Ontario recently get 4 (count them) FOUR sections?
>> What the??? Do we not exist out here or what????
>>
>> What if we were to combine RI, DE and ME? Who in W1 would go for that
>> section>? \RIDEME\
>>
>>
>>
>> Prior to 1993, all NB, NS and PEI's were VE1's...*BUT*, News Flash> In
> 1993
>> us "VE1's" all got NEW distinct callsign prefixes
>>
>> ie: NB=VE9, NS=VE1 and PEI=VY2...there are very few left that kept their
>> original VE1 calls in NB or PEI. (the NS guys got to keep their VE1's)...
>>
>> We are distinct provinces, (have been for eons.) just as Maine, Rhode
> Island
>> and Delaware are. Maybe it made sense in the old days or whatever to have
>> us as one section as there are fewer hams here (and we were all VE1's) ,
> but
>> I think you'll see as a fellow member of MCC also, that we are well
>> represented these days. As a point of interest, there are so many VE1's
> that
>> they also have a VA1 prefix to choose from. If it's based on activity (I
>> know it's not) there are certainly ARRL and RAC sections with less
> activity
>> than NB, NS and PEI.
>>
>> Even in the RAC contests we send "NB,NS and PE" so saying you "follow RAC"
>> does not hold water, nor does it even make sense 2+ decades later.
>>
>>
>>
>> I normally try to boycott most contests that force us to send "MAR" as a
>> silent protest. Probably nobody notices but there are others like me out
>> here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Get with the times ARRL, CQP and a very select few others.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know who's attention we need to get, but help us out. Rattle some
>> chains. Send emails to those you know,
>>
>> "RAC" is not contest oriented. Why we have to follow that structure (but
>> only for some contests) is beyond me !?!?
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike VE9AA (proudly in NB)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>>
>> Keswick Ridge, NB
>>
>>
>>
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