[CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of Pete Seeger

[Mats Strandberg]

No matter how much I want Amateur Radio Contesting to survive and develop,
there is no way on earth that I would believe money would solve that issue.

If some inventive person want to create an Internet game called Las
Vegas Virtual Ham Contesting - fine with me, but don't expect me to
participate.

I enjoy radio contesting with the real atmosphere as my playing field. If
someone is fine with an artificial "Ham Sphere", let them discover that
world on Internet and create program for that virtual game.

However, if this internet game would be the source of interest for real
radio contesting, then why not... Though I doubt that anyone who developed
the taste for money contesting, would find our nonprofit contesting of
interest.

See you on the Real Air guys - and not in a Vegas casino!

73 de RM2D (SM6LRR) Mats

On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:

> We can pick the fly-shit out of the pepper-pot all day, but this is a
> completely moot question right out of the gate.
>
> Any prize other than "bragging rights" (i.e., certificate, medal on a
> ribbon, or walnut plaque) which could be considered a "valuable
> consideration", such as cash or an item convertible to significant cash
> (i.e.., "a brand new 8000 dollar radio"), and you've moved the contest from
> "amateur Radiosport" to "professional Radiosport", where the participants
> strive for compensation.
>
> This might appeal to some small group of affluent hams or "clubs", but it
> would be the end of contesting by us "amateurs".  We would not likely
> contribute points to a fray in which the winners (which we have no hope to
> be) would be "paid".
>
> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: VK4TS Trent Sampson
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:18 PM
> To: 'Joe' ; 'Radio K0HB' ; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of
> Pete Seeger
>
> It would depend on the regularity of the income - Under a one off it would
> be treated as "gambling winnings" and not as a specific income. If however
> you won every prize contest and only entered them it could easily be argued
> that you are professional contester. Are  we really having this
> conversation
> or am I still dreaming :-)
>
> VK4TS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Joe
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2015 4:34 AM
> To: Radio K0HB; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of
> Pete Seeger
>
> so, how about taking this to the extreme if someone won say CQWWCW and the
> prize if there was one was a brand new 8000 dollar radio,
>
> Legal?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
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> On 4/23/2015 1:30 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
>
>> Actually, Joe, the FCC doesn't say you can't be paid.
>>
>> It says your operations as a ham must be "without pecuniary interest".
>>
>> Now receiving a "fancy certificate, suitable for framing" might be
>> loosely be interpreted as "being paid", but it does not rise to the
>> level of "pecuniary interest".
>>
>> The term "pecuniary interest" has quite a narrow legal and financial
>> definition which involves money or instruments negotiable for cash,
>> not plaques or certificates.
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Joe
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:35 PM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy
>> of Pete Seeger
>>
>> Is it a gray line here?
>>
>> I always wondered about this some.  Is a "Prize" being getting paid to
>> operate the radio?
>>
>> To me is isn't because there is no guarantee you're going to get
>> anything for operating the radio.
>>
>> If you place last you don't get anything, if you place like in the top
>> ten you get a piece of paper, so no problems there.
>>
>> But if you place first, in many contests you get a pretty nice plaque
>> to display. I have one right here on my wall from taking first place
>> in the Wisconsin QSO Party Single Op Fixed station in 1989. Now while
>> that chunk of walnut wood with the brass engraving isn't worth a K3.
>> but it does have value does it not? At least personally to me is does.
>> even tho monetarily it is not a lot.
>>
>> BUT if you really wanted to be picky did I not get paid something by
>> getting that plaque by operating my radio?
>>
>> There must be a positive way to differ between a Paid vs a prize. ya
>> know?
>>
>> But of course wouldn't it be cool that if it was possible in some of
>> the ultra major contests to be able to win something. like a radio or
>> something.
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>>
>>
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