[CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP as "assisted?"

Chuck Dietz w5prchuck at gmail.com
Wed Dec 2 19:28:18 EST 2015

OK, I'll bite. No hands on the steering wheel?

Chuck, W5PR

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:24 PM, w2up at comcast.net <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:

>     Yes, automation is on the way. Last month I drove from Denver to Vegas
> and back with no foot on the pedal and no hands on the steering wheel for
> 1400 of the 1700 mile trip. Compared to that, automated contesting is easy!
> Barry W2UP
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> ------ Original message------From: Stan StocktonDate: Wed, Dec 2, 2015
> 8:35 AMTo: john at kk9a.com;Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com;Subject:Re:
> [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP
> as "assisted?"
> Making code readers cause you to be in assisted category is a stop measure
> to total automation.  After lunch the other day, my bother who is not a ham
> and who heard nothing but talk of all this for an hour during lunch, told
> me that it seemed a very small step to go from what is being done by a
> human to total automation.73...Stan, K5GO/ZF2ET> On Dec 2, 2015, at 8:00
> AM, "john at kk9a.com"  wrote:> > Until recently I thought that assisted
> meant getting outside assistance to> find stations, typically multipliers.
> Skimmer made this more complicated> as it really is not anyone else helping
> you find stations. Then the> committee changed the rules to include code
> readers as assisted. Certainly> logging software and computer generated CW
> are also some type of> assistance or why would we use them. There would be
> no way to run on two> bands simultaneously using a keyer and pad of paper.
> Where does this end?> > John KK9A> > > To:    cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject:    [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially>
> identify SCP as "assisted?"> From:    kr2q at optimum.net> Date:    Mon, 30
> Nov 2015 23:26:40 +0000 (GMT)> List-post:    mailto:
> cq-contest at contesting.com>> Yes, the sponsors (or their committees) make
> the rules and the definitions.> > In CQWW and other contests, use of a
> database to alter calls is not> allowed...post contest.> > There can be
> zero doubt that using SCP is using a database assembled by> others.> Is
> there really a difference in changing a callsign during the contest via>
> use> of a db as> compared to changing it after the contest via a database?
> Think about it.> > Please focus on the "database" aspect rather than the
> timing aspect.> > If CQWW can recognize use of a CW decoder (any type, not
> just skimmer> type) as> assisted,> then why not recognize use of SCP as
> assisted?> > For me (IMHO), use of SCP is far more "assisted" than use of a
> cw decoder.> > If SCP partial is not helping you "copy" the callsign, then
> why use it? > Would> you be happy> to operate without it?  If yes, then say
> so.  If no, say so...and please> clarify why not.> > This is an old tune
> for me.  See my NCJ article from May 1996, which covers> many topics,>
> including SCP.  Don't have it available?  Write me and I'll send you a
> copy.> > Some things never change....or can they?> > Usual disclaimer about
> my opinion versus my membership on the CQWWCC.> > de Doug KR2Q> >
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