[CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP as "assisted?"

Barry w2up at comcast.net
Wed Dec 2 21:56:54 EST 2015

A youtube video (I found a short one) is worth 1000 words:

Barry W2UP

On 12/2/2015 17:28, Chuck Dietz wrote:
> OK, I'll bite. No hands on the steering wheel?
> Chuck, W5PR
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:24 PM, w2up at comcast.net <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:
>>      Yes, automation is on the way. Last month I drove from Denver to Vegas
>> and back with no foot on the pedal and no hands on the steering wheel for
>> 1400 of the 1700 mile trip. Compared to that, automated contesting is easy!
>> Barry W2UP
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>> ------ Original message------From: Stan StocktonDate: Wed, Dec 2, 2015
>> 8:35 AMTo: john at kk9a.com;Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com;Subject:Re:
>> [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP
>> as "assisted?"
>> Making code readers cause you to be in assisted category is a stop measure
>> to total automation.  After lunch the other day, my bother who is not a ham
>> and who heard nothing but talk of all this for an hour during lunch, told
>> me that it seemed a very small step to go from what is being done by a
>> human to total automation.73...Stan, K5GO/ZF2ET> On Dec 2, 2015, at 8:00
>> AM, "john at kk9a.com"  wrote:> > Until recently I thought that assisted
>> meant getting outside assistance to> find stations, typically multipliers.
>> Skimmer made this more complicated> as it really is not anyone else helping
>> you find stations. Then the> committee changed the rules to include code
>> readers as assisted. Certainly> logging software and computer generated CW
>> are also some type of> assistance or why would we use them. There would be
>> no way to run on two> bands simultaneously using a keyer and pad of paper.
>> Where does this end?> > John KK9A> > > To:    cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Subject:    [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially>
>> identify SCP as "assisted?"> From:    kr2q at optimum.net> Date:    Mon, 30
>> Nov 2015 23:26:40 +0000 (GMT)> List-post:    mailto:
>> cq-contest at contesting.com>> Yes, the sponsors (or their committees) make
>> the rules and the definitions.> > In CQWW and other contests, use of a
>> database to alter calls is not> allowed...post contest.> > There can be
>> zero doubt that using SCP is using a database assembled by> others.> Is
>> there really a difference in changing a callsign during the contest via>
>> use> of a db as> compared to changing it after the contest via a database?
>> Think about it.> > Please focus on the "database" aspect rather than the
>> timing aspect.> > If CQWW can recognize use of a CW decoder (any type, not
>> just skimmer> type) as> assisted,> then why not recognize use of SCP as
>> assisted?> > For me (IMHO), use of SCP is far more "assisted" than use of a
>> cw decoder.> > If SCP partial is not helping you "copy" the callsign, then
>> why use it? > Would> you be happy> to operate without it?  If yes, then say
>> so.  If no, say so...and please> clarify why not.> > This is an old tune
>> for me.  See my NCJ article from May 1996, which covers> many topics,>
>> including SCP.  Don't have it available?  Write me and I'll send you a
>> copy.> > Some things never change....or can they?> > Usual disclaimer about
>> my opinion versus my membership on the CQWWCC.> > de Doug KR2Q> >
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