[CQ-Contest] CR3L Should Reconsider Submission Catagory

[Chris Wynn]

Gentlemen, The easy way to correct this from happening in the future is to amend the rules for the contest to proscribe disclosing your score before the deadline.
If they were only going to place 2d in M/M, they would have never changed their category! 
Personally, I would rather have won the lesser catagory and had a higher overall score than the top catagory!  In that sense, you would always know that you shoved your foot up the M/M winner's ass in 2015!
However, while am I to say anything, I'm just a single op!!!!
73's and see y'all in the pile ups!
Chris Wynn N4XFA SEDXC ARRL LIFE MEMBER 

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  On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:55 PM, David Gilbert<xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:   
As long as they legitimately qualified for more than one category I 
can't see a single ethical problem with them choosing which one they 
want to declare for within the window that the contest sponsor allows.  
Please tell me how doing so is a problem of ethics. Seriously ... please 
explain objectively how this represents an ethical violation of any sort.

Please remember that I'm one of the few that thinks using SCP and Call 
History files are at least a little bit inappropriate (although not 
illegal, of course) for unassisted operation, and I deplore the way the 
M/S and M/2 categories have been stretched beyond all recognition by 
some very large and intricately equipped stations. I'm pretty 
conservative when it comes to my perception of what is ethical and what 
isn't.

Dave  AB7E



On 12/7/2015 7:58 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:
> Well, if more people is thinking on this way, I see a short live to our hobby
>
> Is not about the rules, is about the ethics, gentleman's
>
> We don't need people looking for the small letters of the rules to take advantage
>
> I read somewhere else that they first submit the log to CQWW as M2 and then they sent another day as MM
>
> So if you agree with that because within the rules they can send as M2 or MM we are very bad
>
> So V47T or CR3OO would change for SOAB HP ASSISTED to win the plaque and this is ok for you?
>
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
>
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
>> El 7 dic. 2015, a las 19:28, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> escribió:
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>> What exactly is "unsportsmanlike" about it?  They (apparently) qualified for both M/2 and M/M ... equally.  They posted to 3830 and had to choose one at that point, but they had the option to choose either category right up until the official contest submission deadline.  They presumably didn't cheat, and the worst that could be said about them is that they misled you regarding their intended category with a 3830 posting they had no obligation to make in the first place.  They didn't even have to be honest in their 3830 posting since it has nothing to do with their official entry!
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>> They competed identically ... and fairly ... whether they entered M/2 or MM.  Nothing offensive about that in my opinion.
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>> Dave  AB7E
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>>> On 12/7/2015 10:44 AM, John Crovelli wrote:
>>> The CR3L Team should reconsider their decision to change from M/2 to M/M. Their clear intent was to enter M/2 and posting their score on 3830 as such immediately following the CQWW CW is evidence they most likely complied with all applicable rules for a M/2 entry.  It was only post-contest was it evident there was an opportunity to win M/M.
>>> In my opinion, which seems to run with the majority based upon the dozens of comments made on this forum, the CR3L decision to change entry categories at the 11th hour, apparently to secure a winning score in the M/M entry class, is unsportsmanlike and offensive.  The CR3L team deserves to bare the brunt of the nearly universal negative commentary having taken this action.  Yes, what was done is allowed under the rules, but going down this path is well outside the spirit of fair competition.
>>> I hope the CR3L team will reconsider what they have done and proceed to seek an administrative entry class change back to M/2 through negotiation with the CQ Contest Committee Chairman.
>>> It is not to late to correct this wrong......it would be the class right thing to do under this circumstance.
>>> Regards,
>>> John CrovelliW2GD/P40W
>>>
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