[CQ-Contest] CR3L Should Reconsider Submission Catagory

Tue Dec 8 11:29:27 EST 2015

I can't either figure out why such vitreous objections all based on
speculation.  Very few facts have emerged and coupled with much speculation
has created the 'typical' ham radio lynch mob.  Guilty before the trial has
started.
And then the debate between rules and ethics.  Oh, in this case ethics
should trump the rules where in the assisted/unassisted debate rules should
trump ethics.  Seems this quote applies to these whiners: "what difference
does it make?"
Doug

I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.

-----Original Message-----

I simply can't, for the life of me, figure out what so many are objecting
to.

The jump to MM can't have been a guaranteed win, since how do we know all
the scores had been reported to 3830? Maybe one or more MM was staying
silent about their results.

Does anyone know for certain if the team didn't discover some aspect of its
operations disqualified it from M2? 

Is there a requirement that stations MUST maximize their category to qualify
for it? If I want to enter UH in SS because that local record is vulnerable,
do I have to run 1,500 watts? Do I have to run 1,000 watts? 100? What if I
want to enter U but have no access to the Internet?

These folks may well have intended to be M2, and then realized their score
was competitive in MM and changed. So what? Seems to me the question isn't
whether it's sleazy, it's why did the mighty MM stations allow themselves to
lose to a puny little M2?

Why is it sleazy to RAISE the bar? Sure, if they actually operated as MM and
entered as M2, that's both sleazy and illegal. If someone enters SS as A but
was using their Alpha throughout and watching for spots, that's sleazy and
illegal.

All this seems to me to echo the advice from VE4VV (SK) when we first
started contesting together and 3830 actually was on 3830: keep your fool
mouth shut!

Seems to me the smart teams from here out will stay away from reporting
scores other than to the sponsor in an official entry. 

73, Kelly 
ve4xt 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 8, 2015, at 6:59 AM, Fabio Schettino Gmail
<fabio.e.schettino at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Probable some one is missing one important step, even 3830 is irrelevant
because isn’t an official listing, CR3L submit the log
> as M2, and AFTER resubmit the Log as MM. 
> 
> Even this is not forbidden from the rules, is clearly a deliberate action
to try to get a Plaque. Doe’s really some one think that   
> after two publishing , unofficial and official, as M2, they rechecked the
log, or remembered to have lockout problems and so
> resubmit the Log ?  If the RBN evidence if not enough to have a proof, two
coincides may be a proof.
> 
> Otherwise rules , allow it, but if the committee wants, can also check the
log to verify if is Category  compliant, is a matter of
> software, and probable this verifications can be add in  the next rules
update.
> 
> 73 de Fabio I4UFH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Il giorno 08 dic 2015, alle ore 11:26, Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest at contesting.com> ha scritto:
>> 
>> Not really. Proportionality only makes sense if you are comparing
identical stations- equipment, skills, teams, etc.  CR3L has demonstrated
that you can do more with less. In the extreme example, a SOAB station can
qualify as M/M.
>> 
>> The purpose of the categories is to set a maximum bar (e.g., single vs.
many operators, low vs. high power, etc.), not minimum.
>> 
>> Rudy N2WQ
>> 
>> Sent using a tiny keyboard.  Please excuse brevity, typos, or
inappropriate autocorrect.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Jorge Diez CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> GM!
>>> 
>>> They thing is that they choose a category BECAUSE they saw other scores
>>> 
>>> If 3830 doesn't exist, what do you think, they will be M2 or MM?
>>> 
>>> If all have a PROPORTIONAL, if all is "normal", MM will do more points
than M2 and M2 more points than MS, so if you did MS you will not send as M2
or MM, only if you see others scores and accommodate you category to win
>>> 
>>> And if this is Ok, well, we are very bad
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Jorge
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>> 
>>>> El 8 dic. 2015, a las 06:57, Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov at yahoo.com>
escribió:
>>>> 
>>>> The thing is, in both cases the ops would be following the rules as the
categories overlap.
>>>> 
>>>> Rudy N2WQ
>>>> 
>>>> Sent using a tiny keyboard.  Please excuse brevity, typos, or
inappropriate autocorrect.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:58 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So if you agree with that because within the rules they can send as M2
or MM we are very bad
>>>>> 
>>>>> So V47T or CR3OO would change for SOAB HP ASSISTED to win the plaque
and this is ok for you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Jorge
>>>>> CX6VM/CW5W
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