[CQ-Contest] High Rate Dual Radio CQing

Wed Dec 9 16:49:42 EST 2015

Well said, Mark!  

I'm in total agreement, though I am an "assisted guy", having been so since we "single ops" were printing out packet cluster spots on an ASR-33 teletype machine in the early 80s and therefore  had to declare ourselves  in the M/S class in ARRL contests. (In the 70s we'd write down the spots on the shout-down 2 Meter net.)

Those breakthrough days with constant advances to the state of the art in the PC, packet, and our logging programs are legacy, but as you say, the innovations will just continue - in ways we don't know now. 

I want to and will continue to ride the waves of the innovations and remain  in the "Assisted" class.  Speaking of which, your sailboat analogy is quite appropriate. Apt, too, is the fact that I am a  power boat guy!

73,

Bill N3RR

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Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 11:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] High Rate Dual Radio CQing

Hi Steve:

I disagree - I operate "unassisted (pick a name) because I enjoy operating that way and I also enjoy competing with my peers.  I really enjoy the competitive nature of contesting.

I don't think the definition is headed for a collision with itself.  The "assisted" category (pick a name) will become more and more technology and connectivity (internet) centric - I believe we've only seen the beginning.  There will be more effective "skimmer-like" technology and completely automated stations - sooner rather than later.

The collision that I see comes with the effort to push more and more connectivity and technology into the "unassisted" categories (pick a name) - or to eliminate them altogether.

I expect (hope?) that in 10 years the "assisted" category will be drastically different than it is today and the "unassisted" category will be much the same.

Analogies are often suspect, but let me propose one.  The invention and wide deployment of motor-driven seagoing vessels has not eliminated sailboat racing - we are not obligated to let "technology" control the evolution of contesting.

73,

Mark, KD4D

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Bloom" <sbloom at acsalaska.net>
To: "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com>
Cc: "Eric Gruff" <eric at e4consult.com>, cq-contest at contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 12:29:59 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] High Rate Dual Radio CQing

Hans ..touche :)

I operate unassisted in SS ..I do it because ..Assist would do almost nothing for me ...and ...tradition.  I was Class A in 1977 as a 14 y/o, swearing I'd eventually be Class B ...and it only took 32 years or so to manage it!  I'll do it going forward in CQWW or CQWPX if I'm Single Op ...now that I understand that's the best category to see how I match up with others (I don't really care about certs/plaques etc.).  As for beer and bragging, no good contest argument is complete without it!

My point is ...the definition is headed into a collision with itself.  We operate unassisted because ...it's a contest category.  Kelly's definition of course makes sense to me, just that ..as new technology comes along ...there is going to be more and more parsing of it ..and with each parse comes an argument.  I'm good with it all ...but I'm also not someone who has put Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars ...Man hours..relationships etc. to put together the absolute top of the line stations that tend to be the true competitors.  I can understand why this type of parsing matters so much to them, and I'm damned glad that they are there.  They are Qs in my log when I'm SO ...and hosts and mentors to me when they host Multi and/or Guest ops.

73
Steve KL7SB

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From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Radio K0HB
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 7:17 PM
To: Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net>
Cc: Eric Gruff <eric at e4consult.com>; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] High Rate Dual Radio CQing

Steve, your assertion that "not-assisted" classes exist just to accommodate a few beer-swilling braggarts and Luddites in their 80's doesn't square well with recorded fact.

2014 SS CW/SSB entries in the assisted (U/UL) categories total 921.  

Entries in the not-assisted (A/B/Q) categories total 2,061.

If we're going to put it to a vote, that 69% majority is good enough to overcome an Obama veto.

__73, de Hans, K0HB

"Just a Boy and His Radio"�

On Tuesday, Dec 8, 2015 at 19:47, Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net>, wrote:
If anyone operates unassisted at this point ..it

is either because

1)  The category exists as a separate category with its own

cert/plaque/trophy/bragging rights during late night beer drinking in a

suite at the Crowne Plaza 

2)  They've been entering SS since radio came back after WW 2 (the Big One)

and still manually log and dupe check.  You might find a few of these at

Field Day as well.

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