[CQ-Contest] High Rate Dual Radio CQing

[Tom Haavisto]

>> I expect (hope?) that in 10 years the "assisted" category will be
drastically different than it is today and the "unassisted"
>> category will be much the same.

Sadly, this is already not the case.  Look at what packet has done:  get
spotted - instant pileup.  Busted packet spot - instant pileup of lots of
dupes.
So - even if running unassisted, you are affected by packet...

No - I don't have an easy answer, but we are seeing are knock-on effects
from technology.

Tom - VE3CX


On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:01 PM, <kd4d at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Steve:
>
> I disagree - I operate "unassisted (pick a name) because I enjoy operating
> that way and I also enjoy competing with my peers.  I really enjoy the
> competitive nature of contesting.
>
> I don't think the definition is headed for a collision with itself.  The
> "assisted" category (pick a name) will become more and more technology and
> connectivity (internet) centric - I believe we've only seen the beginning.
> There will be more effective "skimmer-like" technology and completely
> automated stations - sooner rather than later.
>
> The collision that I see comes with the effort to push more and more
> connectivity and technology into the "unassisted" categories (pick a name)
> - or to eliminate them altogether.
>
> I expect (hope?) that in 10 years the "assisted" category will be
> drastically different than it is today and the "unassisted" category will
> be much the same.
>
> Analogies are often suspect, but let me propose one.  The invention and
> wide deployment of motor-driven seagoing vessels has not eliminated
> sailboat racing - we are not obligated to let "technology" control the
> evolution of contesting.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark, KD4D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Bloom" <sbloom at acsalaska.net>
> To: "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Eric Gruff" <eric at e4consult.com>, cq-contest at contesting.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 12:29:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] High Rate Dual Radio CQing
>
> Hans ..touche :)
>
> I operate unassisted in SS ..I do it because ..Assist would do almost
> nothing for me ...and ...tradition.  I was Class A in 1977 as a 14 y/o,
> swearing I'd eventually be Class B ...and it only took 32 years or so to
> manage it!  I'll do it going forward in CQWW or CQWPX if I'm Single Op
> ...now that I understand that's the best category to see how I match up
> with others (I don't really care about certs/plaques etc.).  As for beer
> and bragging, no good contest argument is complete without it!
>
> My point is ...the definition is headed into a collision with itself.  We
> operate unassisted because ...it's a contest category.  Kelly's definition
> of course makes sense to me, just that ..as new technology comes along
> ...there is going to be more and more parsing of it ..and with each parse
> comes an argument.  I'm good with it all ...but I'm also not someone who
> has put Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars ...Man hours..relationships etc.
> to put together the absolute top of the line stations that tend to be the
> true competitors.  I can understand why this type of parsing matters so
> much to them, and I'm damned glad that they are there.  They are Qs in my
> log when I'm SO ...and hosts and mentors to me when they host Multi and/or
> Guest ops.
>
> 73
> Steve KL7SB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Radio K0HB
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 7:17 PM
> To: Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net>
> Cc: Eric Gruff <eric at e4consult.com>; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] High Rate Dual Radio CQing
>
> Steve, your assertion that "not-assisted" classes exist just to
> accommodate a few beer-swilling braggarts and Luddites in their 80's
> doesn't square well with recorded fact.
>
>
> 2014 SS CW/SSB entries in the assisted (U/UL) categories total 921.
>
>
>
>
> Entries in the not-assisted (A/B/Q) categories total 2,061.
>
>
>
>
> If we're going to put it to a vote, that 69% majority is good enough to
> overcome an Obama veto.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __73, de Hans, K0HB
>
> "Just a Boy and His Radio"™
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, Dec 8, 2015 at 19:47, Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net>,
> wrote:
> If anyone operates unassisted at this point ..it
>
> is either because
>
>
> 1)  The category exists as a separate category with its own
>
> cert/plaque/trophy/bragging rights during late night beer drinking in a
>
> suite at the Crowne Plaza
>
> 2)  They've been entering SS since radio came back after WW 2 (the Big One)
>
> and still manually log and dupe check.  You might find a few of these at
>
> Field Day as well.
>
>
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