[CQ-Contest] LY9W ? - time to ban SCP?

OZ1BII Henning mail at oz1bii.dk
Fri Jul 31 06:28:04 EDT 2015

I think a Contest mainly is "what YOU make it to be"
If YOU enjoy making lots of contacts in short time, then its Contest.
How all the other participants are making these contacts are none of YOUR
business as long as YOU get YOUR contacts and YOU have fun.
And I think it is great with all these 599 - 5NN - ENN and whatever
operators can make of abbreviations - it raise the challenge.
I go unassisted and use my paddle (except to the boring CQ's) and that’s the
way I like it. If the one I contacted used a DXCluster to find me and a
computer to contact me and a computer to read me, doesn't bother me. I go
for the Contest in MY way.
Everyone have their own way to make Contesting fun and more participants
gives more fun - you cannot make a contest for yourself.

Reading my UBN report from ARRL CW 2015 is experiencing.
I recorded audio of all my activity in that contest.
Now I listen to the faults mentioned in the report and it's fun to hear what

I got 1.8% Error Rate out of 2391 Q's - that gave a score reduction of
1.1% Calls copied incorrectly - Of the 27 incorrect calls 14 of them did not
correct me when I sent their call.
0.5% exchanges copied incorrectly - Of the 12 incorrect exchanges 3 of them
did send a wrong state (S-H).
0.2% not in log - I was in "sync" with another station that I could not
The rest is for my account. Wrong typing and giving up on week signals.

Meet you in the next CW Contest!
Best 73 de D44EE/OZ1BII Henning

*  CW: 19/20 september  - SSB: 10/11 october  *
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Fra: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] På vegne af
Charles Harpole
Sendt: 31. juli 2015 02:13
Til: kr2q at optimum.net
Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector
Emne: Re: [CQ-Contest] LY9W ? - time to ban SCP?

Doug, I fully agree with you, but we must face the fact that contesting is
no more.  Automation of all kinds has removed the original reason for
contests... copying skill improvement and fun.
Now a "contest" is an exercise in using data bases and automated stations
which are very different skills.  Mourn for the good old days and contest
for yourself, not the other bogus scores.

My reaction is to seldom send in a log and never even look at other
scores.... meaningless now.... and no way to recover the former contest
73, Charly

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:07 PM, <kr2q at optimum.net> wrote:

> OK, I admit it.  I have NEVER been a proponent of SCP (or that ilk).  
> So I'll once again (been many years now, so it's time) ask why SCP is 
> allowed for non-assisted entries (or at all).
> For me, either you copy the call, zone, SN, name, SEC, etc yourself or 
> you don't.
> So much has been automated during a contest, just what is left for the 
> entrant to do that
> demonstrates actual contest skill?   Not even copy the call sign?
> At the heart of each contest QSO is getting the call and exchange right.
> If you have to rely
> on a database (EG SCP), was that really a valid QSO?
> Going back ages, I recall a DX ham (Riki) who used "a database" on 160m.
> When challenged,
> he said that the database only helped him to confirm the call he had 
> copied.  Really?  If you knew you had copied it, why need to "check?"  
> Of course, the answer is that it wasn't "copied," but needed to be 
> teased out.  I mean, it's a long way from most eastern part of zone 20 
> to the rest of the world.
> More recently, a well-known contester that I have always respected, 
> gave me an example of what he felt was an "appropriate use" of SCP.  
> "Let's say I'm on 75m and the band is noisy and I just can't confirm 
> the other guys full call.  If I look at SCP, I can see a list of calls 
> and I can say, 'Is your call XY1ABC?' and if he says YES, then I know 
> I have a good contact."  Huh?  For me, this is exactly why SCP should 
> NOT be allowed.
> THAT was a "good"
> QSO?  You never copied his full call.  You took an total GUESS base on 
> SCP.  What if he didn't say YES?  Then what?  No QSO or "take a 
> chance?"
> Other arguments include, "Why should I be penalized for not having as 
> good a memory for call signs as K1AR (or your favorite contester)?"  
> Just because he can remember 10,000 calls doesn't mean I'm not as a 
> good a contester.  So I use SCP to make up for that aspect.
> And I suppose he also runs 10KW to "make up" for atmospheric losses.
> Really, there is NO legitimate reason to use SCP during a contest 
> unless you just want to have FUN also sending the guys name during a 
> contest which does not require that you copy his/her name.
> It always is disappointing to me to see the URGENT plea's to share 
> your log file so that SCP can be updated.
> SCP is just pure BS for the true (honest) contester.  Too late?  Can't 
> get the genie back into  the bottle?  Yes, I know.  But that doesn't 
> mean it is right.
> de Doug KR2Q
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