[CQ-Contest] LY9W ? - time to ban SCP?

[David Gilbert]

Well, there are those pesky things called "rules", which generally state 
that the contacts you make and log should be the result of your own 
efforts  **during the contest**  ... that last part being applicable for 
both assisted and unassisted categories.  That's where I see the 
inherent conflict when using databases like SCP and Call History files, 
at least if you're going to submit a log.

Dave   AB7E



On 7/31/2015 3:28 AM, OZ1BII Henning wrote:
> I think a Contest mainly is "what YOU make it to be"
> If YOU enjoy making lots of contacts in short time, then its Contest.
> How all the other participants are making these contacts are none of YOUR
> business as long as YOU get YOUR contacts and YOU have fun.
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:07 PM, <kr2q at optimum.net> wrote:
>
>> OK, I admit it.  I have NEVER been a proponent of SCP (or that ilk).
>> So I'll once again (been many years now, so it's time) ask why SCP is
>> allowed for non-assisted entries (or at all).
>>
>> For me, either you copy the call, zone, SN, name, SEC, etc yourself or
>> you don't.
>>
>> So much has been automated during a contest, just what is left for the
>> entrant to do that
>> demonstrates actual contest skill?   Not even copy the call sign?
>>
>> At the heart of each contest QSO is getting the call and exchange right.
>> If you have to rely
>> on a database (EG SCP), was that really a valid QSO?
>>
>> Going back ages, I recall a DX ham (Riki) who used "a database" on 160m.
>> When challenged,
>> he said that the database only helped him to confirm the call he had
>> copied.  Really?  If you knew you had copied it, why need to "check?"
>> Of course, the answer is that it wasn't "copied," but needed to be
>> teased out.  I mean, it's a long way from most eastern part of zone 20
>> to the rest of the world.
>>
>> More recently, a well-known contester that I have always respected,
>> gave me an example of what he felt was an "appropriate use" of SCP.
>> "Let's say I'm on 75m and the band is noisy and I just can't confirm
>> the other guys full call.  If I look at SCP, I can see a list of calls
>> and I can say, 'Is your call XY1ABC?' and if he says YES, then I know
>> I have a good contact."  Huh?  For me, this is exactly why SCP should
>> NOT be allowed.
>> THAT was a "good"
>> QSO?  You never copied his full call.  You took an total GUESS base on
>> SCP.  What if he didn't say YES?  Then what?  No QSO or "take a
>> chance?"
>>
>> Other arguments include, "Why should I be penalized for not having as
>> good a memory for call signs as K1AR (or your favorite contester)?"
>> Just because he can remember 10,000 calls doesn't mean I'm not as a
>> good a contester.  So I use SCP to make up for that aspect.
>>
>> And I suppose he also runs 10KW to "make up" for atmospheric losses.
>>
>> Really, there is NO legitimate reason to use SCP during a contest
>> unless you just want to have FUN also sending the guys name during a
>> contest which does not require that you copy his/her name.
>>
>> It always is disappointing to me to see the URGENT plea's to share
>> your log file so that SCP can be updated.
>>
>> SCP is just pure BS for the true (honest) contester.  Too late?  Can't
>> get the genie back into  the bottle?  Yes, I know.  But that doesn't
>> mean it is right.
>>
>> de Doug KR2Q
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