[CQ-Contest] LY9W ? - time to ban SCP?

OZ1BII Henning mail at oz1bii.dk
Fri Jul 31 16:06:56 EDT 2015

SCP and Call History files are used **during the contest**  - you find them
in every contest log program.
To get a picture of your efforts during the contest, simply minimize the log
deadline. In this way you will minimize the log processing after the contest
using analyzers and databases.
Make the deadline one hour or maybe 3 hours. Nobody need a month to send an

Best 73 de OZ1BII Henning

*         CW: 19/20 september  - SSB: 10/11 october              *

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Fra: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] På vegne af David
Sendt: 31. juli 2015 20:59
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Emne: Re: [CQ-Contest] LY9W ? - time to ban SCP?

Well, there are those pesky things called "rules", which generally state
that the contacts you make and log should be the result of your own efforts
**during the contest**  ... that last part being applicable for both
assisted and unassisted categories.  That's where I see the inherent
conflict when using databases like SCP and Call History files, at least if
you're going to submit a log.

Dave   AB7E

On 7/31/2015 3:28 AM, OZ1BII Henning wrote:
> I think a Contest mainly is "what YOU make it to be"
> If YOU enjoy making lots of contacts in short time, then its Contest.
> How all the other participants are making these contacts are none of 
> YOUR business as long as YOU get YOUR contacts and YOU have fun.
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:07 PM, <kr2q at optimum.net> wrote:
>> OK, I admit it.  I have NEVER been a proponent of SCP (or that ilk).
>> So I'll once again (been many years now, so it's time) ask why SCP is 
>> allowed for non-assisted entries (or at all).
>> For me, either you copy the call, zone, SN, name, SEC, etc yourself 
>> or you don't.
>> So much has been automated during a contest, just what is left for 
>> the entrant to do that
>> demonstrates actual contest skill?   Not even copy the call sign?
>> At the heart of each contest QSO is getting the call and exchange right.
>> If you have to rely
>> on a database (EG SCP), was that really a valid QSO?
>> Going back ages, I recall a DX ham (Riki) who used "a database" on 160m.
>> When challenged,
>> he said that the database only helped him to confirm the call he had 
>> copied.  Really?  If you knew you had copied it, why need to "check?"
>> Of course, the answer is that it wasn't "copied," but needed to be 
>> teased out.  I mean, it's a long way from most eastern part of zone 
>> 20 to the rest of the world.
>> More recently, a well-known contester that I have always respected, 
>> gave me an example of what he felt was an "appropriate use" of SCP.
>> "Let's say I'm on 75m and the band is noisy and I just can't confirm 
>> the other guys full call.  If I look at SCP, I can see a list of 
>> calls and I can say, 'Is your call XY1ABC?' and if he says YES, then 
>> I know I have a good contact."  Huh?  For me, this is exactly why SCP 
>> should NOT be allowed.
>> THAT was a "good"
>> QSO?  You never copied his full call.  You took an total GUESS base 
>> on SCP.  What if he didn't say YES?  Then what?  No QSO or "take a 
>> chance?"
>> Other arguments include, "Why should I be penalized for not having as 
>> good a memory for call signs as K1AR (or your favorite contester)?"
>> Just because he can remember 10,000 calls doesn't mean I'm not as a 
>> good a contester.  So I use SCP to make up for that aspect.
>> And I suppose he also runs 10KW to "make up" for atmospheric losses.
>> Really, there is NO legitimate reason to use SCP during a contest 
>> unless you just want to have FUN also sending the guys name during a 
>> contest which does not require that you copy his/her name.
>> It always is disappointing to me to see the URGENT plea's to share 
>> your log file so that SCP can be updated.
>> SCP is just pure BS for the true (honest) contester.  Too late?  
>> Can't get the genie back into  the bottle?  Yes, I know.  But that 
>> doesn't mean it is right.
>> de Doug KR2Q
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