[CQ-Contest] Log Checking Technology

Thu May 7 12:12:54 EDT 2015

So are you advocating that the EU group issued warnings should not have been giving warnings?  Seems like it should be equally applied to EU and the US in my opinion.

I personally I have no idea what every EU countries band allocations are on 40M, so for me, if an EU station calls me on 7210 – I am logging him.  I have heard that some countries have wider allocations than others.  If it’s a valid statement that no EU country can transmit above 7200 – then I guess that is easier to manage.  Is that even true?

Ed  N1UR

From: Gerry Hull [mailto:gerry at yccc.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 12:04 PM
To: Edward Sawyer; CQ-Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Log Checking Technology

It takes less than 1/2 second to say "out of band" if someone calls you and they are out of band.  I presume you do this, Ed.  Not pointing at you.

However, the station who accepts QSOs from an out-of-band caller is a big part of the problem as well.  Since many of these issues are to do with

US Stations, it's no excuse for DX not knowing the US rules -- a large part of their score in any contest will come from the US.

Gerry W1VE

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ed Sawyer <sawyered at earthlink.net> wrote:

I agree Gerry but the same answer could be said for all the EU folks that just got warnings.

Ed

From: Gerry Hull [mailto:gerry at yccc.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 10:59 AM
To: Edward Sawyer; CQ-Contest

Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Log Checking Technology

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, but I bet 100% of those calling you, Ed, are clicking on a spot and not realizing it is split.

Gerry

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Ed Sawyer <sawyered at earthlink.net> wrote:

To be clear – I have had US hams call me on 7030 when listening there.  Obviously, I am not trying listen to US hams but they come anyway.  Probably 4 or 5 a contest if I do that for an hour or two.

Ed

From: Chris Plumblee [mailto:chris.plumblee at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:49 AM
To: VK4TS Trent Sampson
Cc: sawyered at earthlink.net; cq-contest at contesting.com

Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Log Checking Technology

The U.S. Phone band extends down to 7.125, which means 7.127.5 or 7.128 LSB (depending on how confident you are in the cleanliness of your transmitted signal) is perfectly legal.

The FCC made that change in 2007 or 2008, if I recall.

73, Chris WF3C

On Thursday, May 7, 2015, VK4TS Trent Sampson <vk4ts at outlook.com> wrote:

" Also, I have heard numerous US hams call on 40M below 7150,"

I just figured they could because I often park simplex on 7130~7140 and work
plenty of US stations

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I think its great that this is finally getting the action that it has
deserved.  Kudos to Randy for leading the way on it.

2 comments/questions from me:

1)      I am very curious how Power was decided to be abused in the cases
where that was a violation.  Randy and I have had some dialog on my case of
seeing the difference in score and on air observation of my station changing
from the low power to the high power use and category.  There were a couple
of cases where it would have been likely obvious that I couldn't be using
low power any more (and wasn't) that Randy and I talked about.

2)      I have heard numerous people working outside of USA bands yet don't
see any USA calls on the warning list.  Is there a way that they should be
reported in the future for possible investigation?  If so, I was unaware of
this interest of the committee.  As all USA ops know, there seems to be some
difference in legal interpretation between country regulatory authorities on
exactly when you are "out of band".  Here in the US, the sideband is
considered part of the transmitted signal and therefore you can't legally
transmit on 21449.  Whether you can transmit on 212447.5 is a matter of
debate depending on the cleanness of your signal vs the -40dB skirts of your
signal spectrum but clearly, for any SSB signal 21448 and above is not going
to be legal for even the cleanest SSB signal from what I can determine
(maybe some even debate this - not sure).  Also, I have heard numerous US
hams call on 40M below 7150, some have even called me while I am listening
split.  Should we be emailing these infractions somewhere when observed?

Ed  N1UR

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