[CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle

Mon May 11 07:37:18 EDT 2015

Just for the record, G3ZHL is a good friend of mine and doesn't operate CW
or 160m

73 Don G3XTT

On 11 May 2015 at 07:38, <donovanf at starpower.net> wrote:

> Something is really wrong with this TO7A public log. There are a few brief
> runs on 160 meters scattered through the log, and they're all very familiar
> calls to 160 meters operators. Then there's this run that was first noticed
> by EA5RS that looks all wrong. Most of the calls are not regularly active
> on 160 meters and only a three appear in PJ2T's 160 meter log:
>
>
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0437 W9FML
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0438 K6NO
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0439 ON4TO
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0440 OZ1CTK
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0441 AC5RN
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0442 RA3QSY
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0444 G3ZHL
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0445 DL7SBV
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0446 DL8OK
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0447 OH3M
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0448 SM2BLY
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0449 UT5URW
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0450 K4LNN
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0451 DL3TU
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0452 LA5HE
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0454 OE3V
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0456 OK1EK
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0457 SP3CQP
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0459 OM1LA
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0459 K0PJ
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0502 PA1BR
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0504 PY1NP
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0506 LZ1MG
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0507 RW3PK
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0508 R6KY
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0509 9A2JK
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0511 LU2YE
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0512 N3XF
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0513 W2OR
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0515 YU1QU
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0517 EA4FL
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0518 W9FY
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0518 N5HI
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0519 EI2KC
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0520 KG8P
> QSO:  1830 CW 2014-11-30 0522 EA8MT
>
>
> Am I missing something?
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "k3it" <gokoyev+k3it at gmail.com>
> To: "Richard F DiDonna NN3W" <richnn3w at verizon.net>
> Cc: "CQ-Contest Reflector" <cq-contest at contesting.com>, "Frank Donovan" <
> donovanf at starpower.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:22:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>
>
> UT5URW does not appear on 160m in any of the 7000+ logs except TO7A's.
> There is also a second NIL QSO with UT5URW in TO7A's log on 20m. Andrey
> lives in a high rise apartment building and doesn't have a 160m antenna as
> far as I know.
>
>
> What's interesting is that UT5URW almost never sends in contest logs (his
> main interest is DXing - I think he is missing only the Bouvet Island). The
> last log submitted before 2014 was in 1995! But he is active in almost
> every CQ WW, chasing DX and giving out points to friends. Just never
> bothers to submit the log. What a surprise in 2014!
>
>
> I grew up with UT5URW and I know that he keeps absolutely meticulous
> record of his activities. There almost no chance that he could make a QSO
> without logging, especially if it's a non-trivial 160m DX contact.
>
>
> curious if these NIL QSOs exist on the SDR recording. May be someone else
> was pretending to be UT5URW ;)
>
>
> 73! Vasily K3IT
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W <
> richnn3w at verizon.net > wrote:
>
>
> Frank, I looked at this with some spot checks: OE3V, LA5HE (Rag!), SP3CQP,
> etc. Your team did not work any of these stations; nor did K3LR; nor did
> DL1A; nor did CN2AA - on any band...
>
> Looking a the log of ON4TO, the op made his last QSO at 2310z on 11/29 and
> it looks like he went to bed. He resumed operating at 0608z on 11/30.
>
> Odd indeed.
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
>
>
> On 5/10/2015 5:14 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>
> <blockquote>
> Juan,
>
>
> You've discovered an extremely unusual pattern in the TO7A public log
> that's very difficult to rationalize.
>
>
> Three of the 160 meter European QSOs in TO7A's log have public logs:
> ON4TO, UT5URW and R6KY. There is no TO7A 160M QSO in
> any of these logs.
>
>
> There's a remarkable run of 160 meter European QSOs from 0437-0608Z
> Sunday in the TO7A's log but a lack of any of the very active 160 meter
> European calls in the TO7A log.. It would be interesting to try to find the
> European calls in the 0437-0608Z TO7A 160 meter log and also the
> PY1NP and LU2YE calls in the 160 meters in the logs of other very active
> 160 meter stations such as CN2AA, 9K2HN, HK1NA and PJ2T.
>
>
> I suspect only a tiny fraction of the European calls in that 0437-0608Z 160
> meter run appear in any 160 meter log and PY1NP and LU2YE
> probably won't be found either.
>
>
> This unusual pattern may also appear elsewhere in the TO7A log...
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Juan EA5RS" < ea5rs at ono.com >
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:08:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>
> Interesting debate, but I am afraid there has been some misleading
> info/assumption on the reason for TO7A's DQ.
>
> I have not studied the log in detail, but if you are curious enough, have a
> look at TO7A's 160m log:
> Not one single station with a public log in zones 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 20 or
> 33 claims working TO7A on 160
> Yet TO7A's log claims having worked 29 stations in these zones.
> Most of these 29 QSOs are unique calls at least on 160, most do not have a
> public log, and if they have a public log, the 160m QSO with TO7A is not
> there
>
> Maybe this has something to do with why he has been DQd
> I have performed a similar scrutiny with some of TO7A's competitors logs
> but
> I haven't found a similar situation
>
> Just public logs data (5,8 million records) and some database code
>
> Juan
> EA5RS
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: CQ-Contest [mailto: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com ] En nombre de
> Stan
> Stockton
> Enviado el: domingo, 10 de mayo de 2015 1:09
> Para: W0MU Mike Fatchett
> CC: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>
>
> <blockquote>
> On 5/9/2015 12:11 PM, Lloyd Cabral wrote:
>
>
> After following this thread, my only wish is that Randy would have
>
>
> inquired here for another e-mail address
>
> <blockquote>
> for Dim, or another source of contact with him BEFORE bringing this issue
>
> </blockquote>
> mainstream. Accusations as
>
> <blockquote>
> serious as this should first be handled privately with the accused given a
>
> </blockquote>
> fair chance to defend himself.
>
> <blockquote>
> Stan K5GO hit the nail on the head with his previous post. IMHO, taking
>
> </blockquote>
> Dim's case public right off seemed
>
> <blockquote>
> premature, unprofessional and totally unnecessary.
> Lloyd KH6LC
> On May 9, 2015, at 3:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett < w0mu at w0mu.com > wrote:
>
> The guy got caught red handed and you people want to hang those that
>
> </blockquote>
> caught him.
>
> Mike,
>
> I wish you had told everyone you had information showing or even saying he
> got caught red handed a long time ago. Do you have some information that
> says he was caught "red handed"?
>
> Everyone else is reading what has been written and the email posted on the
> reflector says that the committee had a "belief" that he was using
> assistance and substantiated the fact that it was a "belief" by asking him
> to provide a recording (not required in the rules) in order to further
> evaluate the situation. However, even in that email, the bottom line and
> last sentence, after what would appear to be an attempt to communicate some
> hope that there would be further evaluation, said emphatically and in no
> uncertain terms that he was disqualified for 2014 but welcome to enter in
> 2015.
>
> I am not making any assumption this process is as cut and dried as you
> would
> like it to be.
>
> 73...Stan, K5GO
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