[CQ-Contest] Qrp récords
Herbert Schoenbohm
herbert.schoenbohm at gmail.com
Sat May 16 19:04:08 EDT 2015
Felipe, Field strength measurements are far from being circumstantial.
They are real and you can take that to the bank. I still would like to
know what kind of antenna used on 160 meters could produce a 25 db gain
in all directions.
Herb, KV4FZ
On 5/16/2015 6:37 PM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
> Herb,
>
> Having been one of the few ops that had used Pedros station on its
> glory days you are preaching to the choir.
> Your argument is what has us and others discussing this issue,
> technically is a given..
> But im afraid is circumstancial.
>
> Zulu..
>
> 2015-05-16 15:12 GMT-04:00 Herbert Schoenbohm
> <herbert.schoenbohm at gmail.com <mailto:herbert.schoenbohm at gmail.com>>:
>
> Felipe, With all due respect to your unique position I would
> think that many would like to know what kind of antenna design
> devised by anyone, even Eric NP3A "with a degree of antenna
> design" extant that could produce an equal signal here at my QTH
> with the claimed 4.7 watts to NP4A's 1500 watts. This would
> require an antenna capable of producing 25 db gain. Since my QTH
> is 125 miles SE of KP4 I would assume that this supper antenna at
> KP4KE had an omni-directional pattern. If you know of such an 160
> meter antenna design that is capable of producing 320 times the
> power, or 25 db gain, it would be worth millions in the
> communications and broadcast industry. The claim that KP4KE's
> "double bazooka" was capable of such performance when his 160
> meter QRP "record" was achieved defies all known existing laws of
> physics. As you stated "our approach has to be scientific and
> fair for KP4KE" so why not explain to me what antenna known
> anywhere in the world is capable of developing this kind of gain.
> The picture KP4KE has published on QRZ.com shows only a modest
> installation compared to that of Pedro, NP4A. At some point we can
> all benefit by knowing of an antenna design capable of developing
> 25db omni- directional gain on 160 meters if such an antenna
> actually exists. You indeed have peaked my curiosity on this
> subject.
>
> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>
>
> On 5/16/2015 12:56 PM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
>> Herb
>>
>> It is not about changing the op, in this case Eric is an
>> acomplished Rf engineer and contester, with a degree of antenna
>> design and lots of experience in terrain modeling.
>> So the perspective of an operator with that profile could shed
>> significant light on the overal station performance, since
>> certain QTH's have an advantage over others as well as other
>> antennas also bring that extra db, that can create an overrall
>> better performance of the station.
>>
>> If we are going to stay true to our intention, our approach has
>> to be scientific and fair for KP4KE.. the information about his
>> previous operations is certainly valid and the committee
>> Im sure is considering it and has considered it, since I believe
>> he has already been DQ for power claims. Im sure there will be
>> enought ways to compare during the contest.
>>
>> How much these records make sense can easily be easily analized
>> by looking at other zone 7 and 8 QRP stations in the past, but I
>> think thats another discussion...
>> Lets wait if his commitment stands, he has failed his commitments
>> before..
>>
>> Felipe
>> NP4Z
>>
>> El sábado, 16 de mayo de 2015, Herbert Schoenbohm
>> <herbert.schoenbohm at gmail.com
>> <mailto:herbert.schoenbohm at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>
>> Felipe,
>>
>> I don't know how just changing the operator will prove
>> anything at all. What I know to a moral certainty is the
>> comparison on KP4TE alleged QRP signal on ground wave and
>> that of NP4A's full power signal from a great location with a
>> superb antenna system at the same time. This proved to me
>> that KP4KE's claim of running "4.7 watts to a double
>> bazooka" when he established his published record that his
>> QRP" entry was totally bogus. The signal measurements made
>> here of the two stations in comparison do not lie.
>>
>> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>>
>> On 5/16/2015 8:03 AM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
>>
>> To address Herb's comments:
>>
>> We had an honest conversation with kp4ke regarding the
>> questions around his
>> qrp and other operations.
>> HE has agreed to allow ERic Np3a to operate his station
>> and to show the
>> world how his station performs in qrp, the official date
>> set by him was on
>> wpx cw this year.
>>
>> Certainly we are anxious as you to make sure that these
>> were all valid
>> entries, let's wait for wpx and see.
>>
>> 73's
>>
>> Felipe
>> NP4Z
>>
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:52:26 -0400
>> From: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbs at vitelcom.net>
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
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>> There are others in the record book essentially in
>> perpetuity. The fact
>> that CQ Contesting still posts some of the biggest
>> malefactors, i.e. the
>> low band QRP world records of an infamous station in KP4,
>> just prevents
>> others from even giving such an impossible score a
>> legitimate challenge.
>> These were certainty challenged and with the adequate
>> proof of the fact
>> that the were the result of cheating. But since CQ let
>> this matter just
>> slide and didn't properly DQ, it stands as a detriment to
>> radio
>> contesting for those who follow the rules and as an
>> encouragement to
>> those who don't .
>>
>> Looking ahead, either we slay this beast of contesting as
>> we know it
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