[CQ-Contest] Remote op & Who is this guy, really?

[Gerry Hull]

Hi Drew,

How can your "non-hams" even comprehend the idea?  They have no concept.
Certainly, they are entitled to use words like "it's cheating" all they
want.  However, I guess contesting luminaries like
N6TR are cheaters then?  He did remote SS years ago.  At WRTC 2014, we had
seven remotes operating.   Did the leading contesters in the world thing we
were doing something wrong?  I don't think so.

Show, anywhere within the rules, where this is considered cheating.  You
are certainly entitled to not like it.  Many hated SSB for years.  Many
lament assisted operating and the use of clusters.  Is that cheating as
well?

If you have a strong opinion, that's welcome.  Attributing words like
"bogus, cheating and lost-your-way" to your "non-ham friends" is just silly.

VY1 will remain rare, especially on CW, despite our efforts.   Our contacts
will count for Contests and all awards, including DXCC.

Remote Amateur Radio is part of the fabric of our hobby, like it or not.
Ask those hams who are HOA restricted.

My next project, which will happen, will probably set your (and Paul's)
hair on fire.  The only constant in this world is change.

73 and hope to work you in SS.

Gerry W1VE
 (Art: W1SJ?  Mitch is a Phone Guy, and a good one!)



On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Drew Vonada-Smith <drew at whisperingwoods.org
> wrote:

> Friends,
>
>
> I had to take this opportunity after the comment about the end of rare
> sections...
>
>
> I think all this remote work, trying to help J. etc is interesting and
> wonderful and I really don't mean to be negative.  But...what is the point
> of a "rare section" if you don't have to be there to operate?  Doesn't this
> in many ways, miss the point of a multiplier?
>
>
> As an analogous example, what if a DXpedition were to put up an automated
> station in Bouvet, and operate it from home?  Bouvet becomes common.  What
> have we really achieved?  HF propagation to Bouvet was never really the
> point, was it?
>
>
> I'm not a Luddite, I get the interest, good intentions, and technical
> achievement in all this.  It sounds fun!  But as a test to see if I was
> just narrow-minded or a fuddy-duddy, I ran this remote idea past a few
> non-hams who know just enough about contesting to understand.  The comments
> I received were:
>
>
> - That's bogus
>
> - That's cheating
>
> - You guys have lost your way
>
>
> Can't say I disagree.  Food for thought.  Not to stop such operations,
> progress will always move forward, but to try and recognize what it all
> means and establish limits.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Drew K3PA
>
> -----Original message-----
> From:Art Boyars <artboyars at gmail.com>
> Sent:Wed 11-04-2015 09:21 am
> Subject:[CQ-Contest] Who is this guy, really?
> To:CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>;
>
> W1VE said:  "Thanks to a lot of work from J and the remote team, Hal, W1NN,
> will operate [VY1AAA] SOHP in November SS via remote from his home in
> Ohio."
>
> OK, so "Hal, W1NN" will operate a NT station from his home in Ohio.
>
> But for the past many contests "Hal" has purportedly operated "W1NN" in
> Ohio ... remotely from Japan.  (You could look it up.)
>
> Can we believe that "Hal" is really where he says he is, or that the
> station is where it claims to be, or even who he says he is?
>
> (In case I'm too subtle, that was a joke.)
>
> And Gerry will be (actually, physically) at K2LE in VT.  Could that be
> competition for W1SJ?
>
> Are we about to see the end of rare Sections in SS?  (Not a joke.)
>
> 73, Art K3KU
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