[CQ-Contest] Remote op & Who is this guy, really?

Fri Nov 13 15:43:58 EST 2015

I'm not sure I'm really understanding the situation down there, Gerry. 
Setting aside for the moment just how separate the two stations really
are, you're saying that VY1JA was operating his own station (and spotting
VY1AAA) while he was simultaneously being an operator at VY1AAA?  Just out
of curiosity, who was the other operator at VY1JA if he was M/S?

Help me figure this out please, as being able to self-spot would sure help
my score from NT next weekend.

John VE8EV

> Sorry, John.
>
> VY1JA and VY1AAA are two separate stations.   Completely different
> setups, with different radios and antennas.  VY1JA entered M/S, for the
> specific reason to be allowed to spot.
> He checked with ARRL HQ before entering this way.
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:03 PM, John Boudreau <john at newnorth.ca> wrote:
>
>> Remote operating might not be cheating but until they change the rules
>> about self-spotting VY1AAA should probably resubmit their entry as a
>> checklog...
>>
>> VY1JA    VY1AAA 7045.1  [LoTW] fREQ CORRECTION  0142z 09 Nov
>> VY1JA    VY1AAA 7011.2  [LoTW] NT cq SS 0140z 09 Nov
>> VY1JA    VY1AAA 14002   [LoTW]  2318z 08 Nov
>> VY1JA    VY1AAA 14069   [LoTW] VY1AAA NT CQ CQ  2202z 08 Nov
>> VY1JA    VY1AAA 21016.6 [LoTW] Hal QSYed to quick lunch bak soon
>> 2033z 08 Nov
>> VY1JA    VY1AAA 21012.5 [LoTW]  2112z 07 Nov
>>
>> John VE8EV
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>> From:Gerry Hull <gerry at yccc.org>
>> Sent:Thu 11-05-2015 08:38 am
>> Subject:Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote op & Who is this guy, really?
>> To:Drew Vonada-Smith <drew at whisperingwoods.org>;
>> CC:cq-contest at contesting.com;
>>
>> Hi Drew,
>>  How can your "non-hams" even comprehend the idea?  They have no
>> concept.
>> Certainly, they are entitled to use words like "it's cheating" all they
>> want.
>> However, I guess contesting luminaries like
>> N6TR are cheaters then?  He did remote SS years ago.  At WRTC 2014, we
>> had
>> seven remotes operating.   Did the leading contesters in the world thing
>> we
>> were doing something wrong?  I don't think so.
>>  Show, anywhere within the rules, where this is considered cheating.
>> You
>> are
>> certainly entitled to not like it.  Many hated SSB for years.  Many
>> lament
>> assisted operating and the use of clusters.  Is that cheating as well?
>>  If you have a strong opinion, that's welcome.  Attributing words like
>> "bogus,
>> cheating and lost-your-way" to your "non-ham friends" is just silly.
>>  VY1 will remain rare, especially on CW, despite our efforts.   Our
>> contacts
>> will count for Contests and all awards, including DXCC.
>>  Remote Amateur Radio is part of the fabric of our hobby, like it or
>> not.
>> Ask
>> those hams who are HOA restricted.
>>  My next project, which will happen, will probably set your (and Paul's)
>> hair
>> on fire.  The only constant in this world is change.
>>  73 and hope to work you in SS.
>>  Gerry W1VE
>>  (Art: W1SJ?  Mitch is a Phone Guy, and a good one!)
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Drew Vonada-Smith <
>> drew at whisperingwoods.org
>> <mailto:drew at whisperingwoods.org> > wrote:
>> Friends,
>>
>>
>>  I had to take this opportunity after the comment about the end of rare
>> sections...
>>
>>
>>  I think all this remote work, trying to help J. etc is interesting and
>> wonderful and I really don't mean to be negative.  But...what is the
>> point
>> of a
>> "rare section" if you don't have to be there to operate?  Doesn't this
>> in
>> many
>> ways, miss the point of a multiplier?
>>
>>
>>  As an analogous example, what if a DXpedition were to put up an
>> automated
>> station in Bouvet, and operate it from home?  Bouvet becomes common.
>> What
>> have
>> we really achieved?  HF propagation to Bouvet was never really the
>> point,
>> was
>> it?
>>
>>
>>  I'm not a Luddite, I get the interest, good intentions, and technical
>> achievement in all this.  It sounds fun!  But as a test to see if I was
>> just
>> narrow-minded or a fuddy-duddy, I ran this remote idea past a few
>> non-hams
>> who
>> know just enough about contesting to understand.  The comments I
>> received
>> were:
>>
>>
>>  - That's bogus
>>
>>  - That's cheating
>>
>>  - You guys have lost your way
>>
>>
>>  Can't say I disagree.  Food for thought.  Not to stop such operations,
>> progress will always move forward, but to try and recognize what it all
>> means
>> and establish limits.
>>
>>
>>  73,
>>
>>  Drew K3PA
>>
>>  -----Original message-----
>>  From:Art Boyars <artboyars at gmail.com <mailto:artboyars at gmail.com> >
>>  Sent:Wed 11-04-2015 09:21 am
>>  Subject:[CQ-Contest] Who is this guy, really?
>>  To:CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com
>> <mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com> >;
>>
>>  W1VE said:  "Thanks to a lot of work from J and the remote team, Hal,
>> W1NN,
>>  will operate [VY1AAA] SOHP in November SS via remote from his home in
>> Ohio."
>>
>>  OK, so "Hal, W1NN" will operate a NT station from his home in Ohio.
>>
>>  But for the past many contests "Hal" has purportedly operated "W1NN" in
>>  Ohio ... remotely from Japan.  (You could look it up.)
>>
>>  Can we believe that "Hal" is really where he says he is, or that the
>>  station is where it claims to be, or even who he says he is?
>>
>>  (In case I'm too subtle, that was a joke.)
>>
>>  And Gerry will be (actually, physically) at K2LE in VT.  Could that be
>>  competition for W1SJ?
>>
>>  Are we about to see the end of rare Sections in SS?  (Not a joke.)
>>
>>  73, Art K3KU
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