[CQ-Contest] Remote op & Who is this guy, really?

Fri Nov 13 13:57:29 EST 2015

Sorry, John.

VY1JA and VY1AAA are two separate stations.   Completely different
setups, with different radios and antennas.  VY1JA entered M/S, for the
specific reason to be allowed to spot.
He checked with ARRL HQ before entering this way.

73, Gerry W1VE

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:03 PM, John Boudreau <john at newnorth.ca> wrote:

> Remote operating might not be cheating but until they change the rules
> about self-spotting VY1AAA should probably resubmit their entry as a
> checklog...
>
> VY1JA    VY1AAA 7045.1  [LoTW] fREQ CORRECTION  0142z 09 Nov
> VY1JA    VY1AAA 7011.2  [LoTW] NT cq SS 0140z 09 Nov
> VY1JA    VY1AAA 14002   [LoTW]  2318z 08 Nov
> VY1JA    VY1AAA 14069   [LoTW] VY1AAA NT CQ CQ  2202z 08 Nov
> VY1JA    VY1AAA 21016.6 [LoTW] Hal QSYed to quick lunch bak soon
> 2033z 08 Nov
> VY1JA    VY1AAA 21012.5 [LoTW]  2112z 07 Nov
>
> John VE8EV
>
> -----Original message-----
> From:Gerry Hull <gerry at yccc.org>
> Sent:Thu 11-05-2015 08:38 am
> Subject:Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote op & Who is this guy, really?
> To:Drew Vonada-Smith <drew at whisperingwoods.org>;
> CC:cq-contest at contesting.com;
>
> Hi Drew,
>  How can your "non-hams" even comprehend the idea?  They have no concept.
> Certainly, they are entitled to use words like "it's cheating" all they
> want.
> However, I guess contesting luminaries like
> N6TR are cheaters then?  He did remote SS years ago.  At WRTC 2014, we had
> seven remotes operating.   Did the leading contesters in the world thing we
> were doing something wrong?  I don't think so.
>  Show, anywhere within the rules, where this is considered cheating.  You
> are
> certainly entitled to not like it.  Many hated SSB for years.  Many lament
> assisted operating and the use of clusters.  Is that cheating as well?
>  If you have a strong opinion, that's welcome.  Attributing words like
> "bogus,
> cheating and lost-your-way" to your "non-ham friends" is just silly.
>  VY1 will remain rare, especially on CW, despite our efforts.   Our
> contacts
> will count for Contests and all awards, including DXCC.
>  Remote Amateur Radio is part of the fabric of our hobby, like it or not.
> Ask
> those hams who are HOA restricted.
>  My next project, which will happen, will probably set your (and Paul's)
> hair
> on fire.  The only constant in this world is change.
>  73 and hope to work you in SS.
>  Gerry W1VE
>  (Art: W1SJ?  Mitch is a Phone Guy, and a good one!)
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Drew Vonada-Smith <
> drew at whisperingwoods.org
> <mailto:drew at whisperingwoods.org> > wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>  I had to take this opportunity after the comment about the end of rare
> sections...
>
>
>  I think all this remote work, trying to help J. etc is interesting and
> wonderful and I really don't mean to be negative.  But...what is the point
> of a
> "rare section" if you don't have to be there to operate?  Doesn't this in
> many
> ways, miss the point of a multiplier?
>
>
>  As an analogous example, what if a DXpedition were to put up an automated
> station in Bouvet, and operate it from home?  Bouvet becomes common.  What
> have
> we really achieved?  HF propagation to Bouvet was never really the point,
> was
> it?
>
>
>  I'm not a Luddite, I get the interest, good intentions, and technical
> achievement in all this.  It sounds fun!  But as a test to see if I was
> just
> narrow-minded or a fuddy-duddy, I ran this remote idea past a few non-hams
> who
> know just enough about contesting to understand.  The comments I received
> were:
>
>
>  - That's bogus
>
>  - That's cheating
>
>  - You guys have lost your way
>
>
>  Can't say I disagree.  Food for thought.  Not to stop such operations,
> progress will always move forward, but to try and recognize what it all
> means
> and establish limits.
>
>
>  73,
>
>  Drew K3PA
>
>  -----Original message-----
>  From:Art Boyars <artboyars at gmail.com <mailto:artboyars at gmail.com> >
>  Sent:Wed 11-04-2015 09:21 am
>  Subject:[CQ-Contest] Who is this guy, really?
>  To:CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com
> <mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com> >;
>
>  W1VE said:  "Thanks to a lot of work from J and the remote team, Hal,
> W1NN,
>  will operate [VY1AAA] SOHP in November SS via remote from his home in
> Ohio."
>
>  OK, so "Hal, W1NN" will operate a NT station from his home in Ohio.
>
>  But for the past many contests "Hal" has purportedly operated "W1NN" in
>  Ohio ... remotely from Japan.  (You could look it up.)
>
>  Can we believe that "Hal" is really where he says he is, or that the
>  station is where it claims to be, or even who he says he is?
>
>  (In case I'm too subtle, that was a joke.)
>
>  And Gerry will be (actually, physically) at K2LE in VT.  Could that be
>  competition for W1SJ?
>
>  Are we about to see the end of rare Sections in SS?  (Not a joke.)
>
>  73, Art K3KU
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