[CQ-Contest] May you work yourself at a remote?

Wed Feb 24 16:31:21 EST 2016

Spirit of the contest 

Plain and simple 

If a multi op member worked the multi op and only chosen others I feel the
multi op should be DQd 

As has been pointed out it is only a case of money before a station is setup
in all 40 zones - 

Simple rule - A member of a multi op can only work from that station for the
contest. Members working themselves has to be a case of poor potty training.

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Haavisto
Sent: Thursday, 25 February 2016 5:48 AM
To: w1ve at yccc.org
Cc: Art Boyars; CQ-Contest Reflector
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] May you work yourself at a remote?

The idea is NOT to make operating remote look bad.  Quite the opposite.

Operating remote is now a fact of every day life for many people.  I just
wanted to "push the upper limit" as it were to see what would happen with
todays rules.  If there is not currently a rule in place that covers this
scenario, and we determine one is needed, it would need to cover all aspects
of remote operation.  Including the crazy ones I pointed out, as they CAN be
done with todays technology.

Before that discussion can start, we all need to have a clear understanding
of what is even possible.

Just trying to jump start the discussion.

Tom - VE3CX

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Gerry Hull <gerry at yccc.org> wrote:

> But, Tom, you could stay at home and participate as a member of the 
> M/M via remote.
>
> Everyone looks at the downside -- there are so many positive sides.
>
> W7RN has a huge station, but his ops live far away.  Via remote, they 
> can now staff the station.
>
> Are contesters happy that the VY1AAA mult is available much more often 
> in contests?  I'd say that is a universal YES!
>
> I would have been glad to let a single op do VY1AAA last weekend... 
> but no one came forward, and we wanted to put the mult on.
> I don't even care if the score counts -- we just wanted to put the 
> multiplier on the air.
>
> During WRTC/IARU RadioSport, we did have six stations in the same room.
> Did we work each other?  You bet.  Not by passing "in the room", For 
> example, I was operating PR1T, and I found a spot for SK3W, and called 
> in like anyone else.  After the QSO, I did get a visual "thumbs up".
> Nothing nefarious.
>
> Yes, six ops could sit in the same room and operate from all 
> continents -- and it would be fine -- but it would not look good, 
> especially if each op worked the other on six bands!.
>
> You can think up lots of crazy scenarios to make remote look bad.  
> But, today, top contesters are operating remotes with no particular 
> advantage (In fact, it can be pretty darn challenging).
>
>
> By using remote, we are not trying to "game" the system... We are 
> overcoming barriers to get on the air.
>
> The offer stands to anyone who is a good CW op (our preferred mode), 
> and has RemoteRig/Elecraft gear:  We need to increase our operator 
> team for VY1AAA.. the more we have it on, the better.
> Contact me if you are interested.
>
> VY1AAA will be on for NAQP RTTY this weekend, W1UE operating.
> We will be on for ARRL DX SSB as well.
>
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Tom Haavisto <kamham69 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Art
>>
>> Lets step back a bit, and see what is *technically possible - today*.
>>
>> A person could operate from all 40 zones in the CQWW - in one 
>> sitting, by connecting to 40 different stations and operating remote.
>>
>>
>> Six ops - sitting in one room - could operate from six different 
>> continents
>> - at the same time.  I think we can all see a bunch of red flags with 
>> this, but it is *technically* possible.
>>
>> A person could drive to a MM, and operate part of the contest.  Drive 
>> home, and operate from home, using his own call.
>>
>>
>> The one way to address this would be: a person can only operate with 
>> one call/contribute to one station for the duration of the contest.
>>
>> This way, if you are operating remote - you are committed to that 
>> operation
>> - for the duration of the contest.  New contest comes along - you are 
>> free to "move" to a different location.
>>
>> The downside is - drive to a MM, operate a few hours - you can't go 
>> home and operate...
>>
>>
>>
>> Just my two cents worth...
>>
>> Tom - VE3CX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Art Boyars <artboyars at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think I broached this subject before, but got no significant
response.
>> > Conversation with some of the other op's at a M-M this past 
>> > weekend, and seeing W1VE's 3830score post for ARRL DX CW prompts me try
again.
>> >
>> > Let's say I'm in Winnipeg for RAC Canada Day contest -- VE4VTR (me) 
>> > and VE4EA and a couple of other VE4 friends use VE4EA's station for 
>> > a M-S effort.
>> >
>> > Let's say that VE4EA also realizes his hope of a concurrent remote 
>> > operation -- say, part time -- of VY1AAA.  We're all in the same room.
>> >
>> > It sure would be easy for VE4VTR to know when/where to find VY1AAA. 
>> > But let's keep it honest.  'VTR will go after the YT mult only when 
>> > it's spotted, and 'AAA will not self-spot.
>> >
>> > So, 'VTR sees the spot, pounces on it, and calls VY1AAA.  The path 
>> > is
>> poor,
>> > and copy is difficult, but thanks to ESP (and maybe copying the
>> transformer
>> > hum, like I used to do with my ARC-5) they make the QSO.
>> >
>> > Should that count?
>> >
>> > What if the remote worked only VE4VTR.  Is that not allpowed?  (I 
>> > did
>> not
>> > ask "unethical".  This question is about the rules as they now 
>> > stand.)
>> >
>> > What if I operate both the local station and the remote station 
>> > myself
>> for
>> > the QSO?  Should that count?
>> >
>> > 73, Art K3KU
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