[CQ-Contest] contest restructing

Thu Jul 21 22:59:18 EDT 2016

Is it because on CW the East Coast can pick up a lot of 3rd, 4th and 5th layer stations from EU which may not that easy on SSB?

73 de Prasad VU2PTT

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> On 22-Jul-2016, at 8:08 AM, Chris Plumblee <chris.plumblee at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> At the risk of being contrarian for its own sake, I wonder what's different
> about CQWW SSB, because there have been (relatively speaking) lots of
> winners from outside of the east coast in that contest. Since 1970...
> 
> AI6V
> K6AHV
> K7RI
> N2IC/5
> N7DD
> W6RR (3x)
> W7RM
> WM5G
> 
> Have won CQWW SSB.
> 
> Granted, K1AR has won something like 14 times in the same time period, but
> I wonder what's up with SSB that makes it possible for non-W1/W2/W3/W4
> stations to win when it's so rare in CW? All of the stations above were
> competing with big east coast stations.
> 
> 73,
> Chris WF3C
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Going back to 1948, only one station outside of W1/2/3/4 has ever won USA
>> CW.
>> 
>> CW
>> Year Call Category Score QSOs Zn Cty Hours Operator(s)
>> 2015 N5DX/2 SO HP ALL 9,961,955 5,097 159 526 48.0 @N2QV
>> 2014 K3CR SO HP ALL 10,871,028 5,252 174 549 48.0 LZ4AX
>> 2013 NN1N SO HP ALL 10,652,128 5,093 174 562 47.9
>> 2012 K3CR SO HP ALL 9,875,565 4,609 171 578 46.6 LZ4AX
>> 2011 K1DG SO HP ALL 10,189,365 4,795 163 582 45.3
>> 2010 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 8,940,786 4,587 154 524 41.6
>> 2009 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 6,845,832 3,957 132 480 45.1
>> 2008 K1LZ SO HP ALL 6,796,620 3,922 133 486 46.8
>> 2007 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 6,399,360 3,455 138 522 41.9
>> 2006 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 8,188,086 4,120 159 540 -
>> 2005 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 6,900,552 3,749 141 507 -
>> 2004 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 6,070,659 3,204 154 523 -
>> 2003 NT1Y SO HP ALL 6,797,675 4,090 142 493 - W4PA
>> 2002 KT1V SO HP ALL 8,027,304 4,110 158 550 - NT1N
>> 2001 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 7,048,856 3,790 157 510 -
>> 2000 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 8,756,568 4,484 161 531 -
>> 1999 W4AN SO HP ALL 8,279,616 4,301 175 521 -
>> 1998 W1KM SO HP ALL 7,379,711 4,027 155 488 -
>> 1997 K1AR SO HP ALL 7,681,280 4,047 158 522 -
>> 1996 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 5,461,830 3,061 144 469 -
>> 1995 W1KM SO HP ALL 5,127,270 3,178 136 418 -
>> 1994 K5ZD/1 SO HP ALL 4,037,408 2,471 132 430 -
>> 1993 K1KI SO HP ALL 5,603,364 2,867 153 523 -
>> 1992 N4RJ SO HP ALL 5,851,152 2,966 172 509 - KM9P
>> 1991 KM1H SO HP ALL 4,969,248 2,910 149 443 - KQ2M
>> 1990 K1CC SO HP ALL 5,283,486 3,028 148 455 -
>> 1989 K3TUP SO HP ALL 5,564,656 3,212 155 431 - K5ZD
>> 1988 W1KM SO HP ALL 4,466,557 2,632 156 421 -
>> 1987 K1EA SO HP ALL 3,961,980 2,608 144 378 -
>> 1986 W1KM SO HP ALL 3,029,832 2,049 131 376 -
>> 1985 K1AR SO HP ALL 3,397,905 2,398 120 363 -
>> 1984 N2LT SO HP ALL 2,192,028 1,703 119 325 -
>> 1983 W1KM SO HP ALL 2,699,775 1,837 130 376 -
>> 1982 K1AR SO HP ALL 2,762,383 1,976 127 354 -
>> 1981 K1GQ SO HP ALL 3,276,768 2,111 138 390 -
>> 1980 K1AR SO HP ALL 2,830,730 1,986 139 351 -
>> 1979 K1AR SO HP ALL 2,635,224 1,988 130 326 -
>> 1978 W3RJ SO HP ALL 2,186,948 1,580 137 356 -
>> 1977 W3LPL SO HP ALL 1,693,956 1,317 128 323 -
>> 1976 W3LPL SO HP ALL 1,538,784 1,149 117 351 -
>> 1975 W3LPL SO HP ALL 1,003,055 861 112 303 -
>> 1974 W1BGD/2 SO HP ALL 1,133,847 936 125 304 -
>> 1973 W3LPL SO HP ALL 1,069,265 945 117 278 -
>> 1972 W3WJD SO HP ALL 1,527,500 1,121 134 336 -
>> 1971 W1FBY SO HP ALL 1,163,160 1,016 119 286 - K1ZND
>> 1970 K1KTH SO HP ALL 1,632,480 1,206 142 314 -
>> 1969 W4YHD SO HP ALL 1,002,160 855 127 278 -
>> 1968 W3GRF SO HP ALL 1,024,125 953 111 264 -
>> 1967 K1DIR SO HP ALL 1,087,674 924 124 282 -
>> 1966 W3GRF SO HP ALL 1,004,350 921 113 266 -
>> 1965 W4KFC SO HP ALL 847,314 839 97 254 -
>> 1964 W3GRF SO HP ALL 579,993 665 96 213 -
>> 1963 W3GRF SO HP ALL 712,640 734 107 233 -
>> 1962 W3GRF SO HP ALL 445,884 544 95 197 -
>> 1961 W4KFC SO HP ALL 645,663 635 121 252 -
>> 1960 W4YHD SO HP ALL 513,720 524 124 236 -
>> 1959 W3GRF SO HP ALL 388,010 489 106 216 -
>> 1958 W8JIN SO HP ALL 586,767 657 99 218 -
>> 1957 W4KFC SO HP ALL 821,763 755 124 269 -
>> 1956 W4KVX SO HP ALL 654,088 607 135 253 -
>> 1955 W2HJR SO HP ALL 517,030 620 97 201 -
>> 1954 W3OCU SO HP ALL 519,198 -
>> 1953 W4KFC SO HP ALL 338,517 -
>> 1952 W8JIN SO HP ALL 215,259 86 154 -
>> 1951 W4KFC SO HP ALL 198,195 76 143 -
>> 1950 W4KFC SO HP ALL 153,901 60 127 -
>> 1949 W4KFC SO HP ALL 310,184 490 74 158 -
>> 1948 W4KFC SO HP ALL 277,736 433 -
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 20:54 Chris Plumblee <chris.plumblee at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> CQWW SSB, at least, is not impossible for stations west of the Mississippi
>>> to win. N5AU won M/M in the 1980's, and N2IC won SOABHP in 2013.
>>> 
>>> I take no position on whether the rules of CQWW should be changed, but a
>>> blanket statement like "there is no way for a west coast station to
>>> compete
>>> with one in the east coast. period" is not entirely accurate.
>>> 
>>> 73, Chris WF3C
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Larry via CQ-Contest <
>>> cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hi guys,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> i have read quite a few ideas about restructuring the CQ WW. obviously
>>>> there is a need to modernise this contest.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> preserving old scores is a foolish reason. present radios have -40 db
>>>> compared to the plus 10 db of the older sets. antennas are now computer
>>>> designed and on and on. there is no comparison between today's contest
>>> and
>>>> that of even 10 years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> regards to the USA competition there is no way for a west coast station
>>> to
>>>> compete with one in the east coast. period.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> if you complain that very few young operators are joining our ranks
>>>> consider the fact that quite a number of "contest stations" on the west
>>>> coast have been organized in the last 15 years and all have quit after
>>>> finding there is no way to win. forget the "fun", everyone wants to
>>> win. no
>>>> competition here versus the " big east coast three". there is no place
>>> for
>>>> the new and young operator to get experience. this is a contest for the
>>> old
>>>> men with experience and the rich who can provide a super station.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> contest directors please take note. change the structure of the CQ WW or
>>>> the contest dies with us.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> larry
>>>> n7dd
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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