[CQ-Contest] Log what was sent

Tue Sep 27 22:25:01 EDT 2016

Well, let's see here.

Let's say that in an upcoming IARU contest, someone, hypothetically, gets
permission to operate from UN NY.  Maybe not as 4U1UN, but as 4U/their call.

But this person makes a mistake, and sends CQ Zone 5 instead of ITU Zone 8
as part of their exchange.  Obvious mistake to us experienced contesters,
but things happen.

So our hypothetical operator makes 100 contacts.  All of whom submit their
log.  And hypothetical doesn't.

So, 75 ops recognize that the exchange was wrong and correct it to what it
should be.  25 either do not, or decide to send in the contact as received.

Who is right?  Who is wrong?  Who should be penalized?

OTOH, hypothetical op DOES send in a check log, with a note that said op
made the aforementioned mistake.  Something which the other 100 ops may and
probably would not be aware of.

All else being equal, do the 75 ops who 'corrected' the exchange in the logs
deserve to penalized?  Sadly, there is no ambiguity in this second case.
They did NOT log (or changed their log after the fact) what was sent.  

The first case, though, is a grey area.  In theory, the 75 ops should (IMHO)
be treated the same way, but how would the contest organizers/log checkers
know what was actually sent?

Therefore, IMHO:  Log what was sent.  If it doesn't seem right, question it.
If the station sending the questionable report repeats the same thing, don't
argue.  Log it.  As sent.  And if it still seems obviously wrong, alert the
contest committee when you submit your log.  If EVERYONE who works this
station does this, there should be no further ambiguity.

73, ron w3wn

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Paul Stoetzer
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 6:36 PM
To: K9MA
Cc: CQ Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Log what was sent

Why would it be a guaranteed penalty? You logged what was sent by the other
station. That's what the rules say to do!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:06 PM, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:

> In case an obviously incorrect or impossible exchange, it seems to me 
> the sensible thing is to delete the QSO.  Otherwise, it's a guaranteed 
> penalty for me, as opposed to a NIL for the other operator.
>
> 73,
>
> Scott. K9MA
>
>
> ----------
>
> Scott Ellington
>
>  --- via iPad
>
> > On Sep 27, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Prasad VU2PTT <vu2ptt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > And another case where KP4BD was sending Zone 11 which I logged 
> > instead
> of
> > 08.
> >
> > 73 de Prasad VU2PTT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:37 PM, john at kk9a.com <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would like to know what the WW committee thinks about your statement?
> >> For example, one W6 station last weekend sent me 04 04 CA CA which
> printed
> >> clearly on multiple decoders. This is not physically possible!  
> >> What
> about
> >> the station that sends 001 OH? Logging an obviously incorrect zone 
> >> does not seem like the right thing to do and it can lead an 
> >> incorrect zone multiplier count.
> >>
> >> John KK9A - W4AAA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To:     CQ-Contest <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
> >> Subject:        [CQ-Contest] Log what was sent
> >> From:   <kzerohb at gmail.com>
> >> Date:   Tue, 27 Sep 2016 04:49:01 +0000
> >>
> >> On another online venue a fellow held the opinion that when someone
> sends
> >> an
> >> inaccurate element of the contest exchange (ie., the wrong Zone for 
> >> his location in CQWW), that a contest operator should record the 
> >> correct
> Zone,
> >> NOT
> >> the Zone that was sent to him.
> >>
> >> I certainly would query the sender.  For example, if a station in 
> >> Iowa
> sent
> >> Zone “7” in CQWW (his IARU zone) instead of Zone “4” (his CQ Zone), 
> >> but
> if
> >> he
> >> confirmed Zone 7, then I feel that I am obligated to log what he sent.
> >>
> >> After all, isn’t contesting all about our skill at accurately 
> >> copying
> and
> >> precisely logging  what was sent to us?
> >>
> >> If that isn’t true, then why not just exchange callsigns and let 
> >> our computers fill in the blanks?
> >>
> >> “What year was I licensed in?  Damn, I forgot again.  I’ll make up 
> >> a number and you never mind what I sent, just let N1MM  fill in the 
> >> blank.”
> >>
> >> 73, de Hans, KØHB
> >> "Just a boy and his radio"™
> >>
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