[CQ-Contest] Request to publish all calls of stations found to be breaking any rule in all contests

W0MU Mike Fatchett w0mu at w0mu.com
Fri Apr 14 18:29:31 EDT 2017


Printing a call and violation does not equal excessive public 
humiliation to me.  YMMV.

I think we need to draw a hard line with serious competitors vs 
participants.  There is a huge difference.  To the participants my 
comments about enforcement and rules violations are made to serious 
competitors that should know better.  I believe we take the participants 
for granted and do not appreciate their contributions as much as we should.

Does a list of public offenders keep people in line?  I thnk so. I do 
believe that we owe it to the community to reach out to those that broke 
a rule and let them know what they did, why it is frowned upon and 
making it a learning opportunity.

There is a long list of Big big big callsigns including MM's that were 
heard happily working stations out of band in the CQ WW.   I am pretty 
sure and agree with N2IC that pushing it under the rug with a wink wink 
is sending the wrong message.

So what should be done differently, if anything?

Should we begin to look at having different classes of competition?  Is 
it as simple as do you wish your log to be considered for competition or 
as a participant?

Lets take Drag racing.  There are a lot of competitors but they do not 
compete against the other classes as the cars are considerably 
different.  Why do we do this in contesting?  The Tribander/wires 
overlay is an attempt at this but nobody has really tried to sell this.  
How about a few classes that encompass the majority of the  
competition.  One Tower under 100 feet.  One tower under 50 ft.  Less 
than 3 towers.  Limit it to maybe 5 classes.  The super competitive 
probably need to be in a class all their own and as stated scrutinized 
much more heavily.  Find some common ground, get people competing that 
are similar and I think we might see better competition where many more 
people have the chance to win.  What would be great is if we could get 
these classes adopted across the board with many contests.

Golf has a handicapping system that allows duffers a way to compete 
against better players.  Admittedly I have no idea on how to pull this 
off in contesting but maybe there is a way?

We also must get away from National scoring in countries like the US and 
Canada, Russia and other places where it is obvious that certain regions 
have huge geographic advantages over the rest of the field.  We all 
can't and don't want to move to Maine or the NE in the USA and I am sure 
those already there would prefer we stay away!  HI!  Maybe in ARRL 
contests more emphasis should be placed on division winners and the 
competition within.  Not all contests lend themselves easily to this.

When people know they have no shot to win, are they giving it their 
all?  Probably not.  Will that change if we give more recognition to the 
guy that wins single tower SW USA?

Will any change make a difference or will contesting always be about the 
top?  I don't think that resonates well with everyone, though.

W0MU


On 4/14/2017 2:57 PM, Ria Jairam wrote:
> If someone does it repeatedly, they are very likely doing it 
> deliberately, for example. A one-off is probably an accident. Twice 
> and more, not so much.
> Also, a low scorer with low hours, deliberate or not is harming no 
> one. They probably just submitted a log to help the contest organizers 
> with scoring and didn't even bother to properly check the category 
> (I've done that).
>
> I just don't see the need for zero tolerance and excessive public 
> humiliation, where the contest isn't fun anymore and where we end up 
> driving away casual ops who just want to make a few QSOs and feel good 
> about that.
>
> I do think high scrutiny should be placed on competitive stations, to 
> the point where we should have cloud based (or cloud connected) 
> loggers and electronic surveillance for serious (top 10 world and US) 
> competitors.
>
> Ria
> N2RJ
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:41 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com 
> <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>
>     How can you tell which violations are deliberate vs accidental?  
>     Rules are written so that intent is not considered.  Either you
>     did it or you did not.
>
>     Why publish the calls of DQ stations did they self spot on purpose
>     without knowing the rules etc.
>
>     W0MU
>
>     On 4/14/2017 8:43 AM, Ria Jairam wrote:
>>     I"m not sure what a hall of shame online would accomplish, but I
>>     guess if you want to go zero tolerance with rules violations this
>>     would be the way to go.
>>
>>     My only stipulation is that the rules violation has to be
>>     deliberate, and not accidental.
>>
>>     73, Ria, N2RJ
>>
>>     On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR
>>     <n4zr at comcast.net <mailto:n4zr at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Bravo, Mike.  Let me extend the thought a bit further. The
>>         CQWW Committee needs to be transparent and specific about its
>>         criteria for various actions. What warrants a warning, versus
>>         what warrants a DQ? What repeated infractions from one year
>>         to the next warrant a DQ?
>>
>>          The old yellow card/red card system was an attempt at this. 
>>         Nobody is asking *how* they caught the cheaters, just what
>>         the penalties are for various offenses, either current or
>>         repeated. That's the only way they will get pastthe
>>         perception that they are being arbitrary, favoring a
>>         particular nationality and so on.
>>
>>         73, Pete N4ZR
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>>         On 4/13/2017 7:25 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>>
>>             CQ chose only to publish stations that were Disqualified.
>>
>>             How about a list of all stations that were found to have
>>             broken a rule(s) and the penalty for doing so.
>>
>>             How about a lot more transparency.
>>
>>             Just a thought.
>>
>>             W0MU
>>
>>
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