[CQ-Contest] Self Spotting
W0MU Mike Fatchett
w0mu at w0mu.com
Sun Feb 26 17:31:20 EST 2017
The only rant I have seen so far is yours. I was simply providing my
experiences. You don't have to agree with me.
The delete key is over there.
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On 2/26/2017 12:09 PM, Peter Sundberg wrote:
> Mike, I am getting pretty tired of your constant plea (rant) for new
> rules that allow everything that the Internet can provide at the cost
> of diminishing RF communication to a mere fraction of the game.
>
> Please, do us a favour - write down and publish your set of rules for
> the perfect contest and go look for a sponsor for it. Sponsors must be
> standing in line waiting for your info as you have so eloquently told
> the world that old style contesting is dead. Especially dead for us
> who prefer the challenge of "unassisted" contesting.
>
> So, it must be time for your type of contesting now, else we're all
> bored to death before long. Go for it, you know what it takes to
> attract people.
>
> When you have found a sponsor for your contest, let us know the dates
> so we can mark them in our almanac. For other activities.
>
> Peter SM2CEW
>
>
>
>
> At 16:33 2017-02-26, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>> and when there are few contacts to me made or found, people stop
>> looking and do something else.
>>
>> W0MU
>>
>>
>> On 2/26/2017 10:04 AM, Ed K1EP wrote:
>>> "The point of contests should be to make lots of contacts. "
>>>
>>> Not necessarily. The point for some, is to FIND lots of contacts,
>>> not just make them. Everyone is different. When single op, I don't
>>> use spotting or packet, I prefer the challenge. When at a MM, I
>>> adapt to whatever the setup, but I still turn the knob to find
>>> contacts more than clicking.
>>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2017 10:49 AM, "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu at w0mu.com
>>> <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am very surprised that nobody has created a huge multi user
>>> version of DR. DX for the internet. I would be great fun. DR. DX
>>> was pretty amazing for the time. I know there is a modern day
>>> equivalent but it has not been implemented on a large scale where
>>> everyone is tied together, scoreboard, etc.
>>>
>>> This is one reason that Ham radio is having problems attracting
>>> and getting people on the air. You can engage with people all
>>> over the globe very easily and for free. No huge towers or
>>> investments needed. Talking to someone in Russian, Germany,
>>> Japan, or wherever is much more common today. I probably have
>>> more foreign friends on Facebook than I do local.
>>>
>>> Radiosport and ham radio are about having fun and learning for
>>> me. Sitting and calling endless CQ's on RTTY is not fun. The
>>> point of contests should be to make lots of contacts. If the
>>> rules are reducing the amount of contacts then we have failed. Are
>>> more contacts made when packet is allowed? I think so. NAQP RTTY
>>> last night might be an example. Packet is discouraged and I
>>> noticed a number of people that were discouraged from the contest
>>> for just that reason.
>>>
>>> There is nothing magical, mystical or fantastic about unassisted
>>> anymore. For me it is something that has become archaic, old and
>>> very much behind the times. I have a buggy for my draft horse and
>>> it is fun to drive now and then but I much prefer to hop in my
>>> pickup truck to get around town. Many of the rules are difficult
>>> at best to enforce, power, packet, etc and then when the rules are
>>> enforced the decisions of the organizers are criticized when there
>>> has been no real proof provided by either side.
>>>
>>> Interesting times we are in.
>>>
>>> W0MU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/26/2017 6:21 AM, Ed Sawyer wrote:
>>>
>>> Why don't we just skip the radio part and just work each other
>>> in a chat
>>> room. That would be the fairest right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Radiosport is ABOUT communicating over the airwaves and
>>> putting what we hear
>>> in the log. Not about accepting what the bandmap populated
>>> and hitting
>>> enter. Its also about the technical challenge of producing a
>>> good loud
>>> signal and being able to hear. Otherwise its essentially
>>> gaming. There are
>>> lots of outlets for people wanting to game.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was CQing on 160 last night and had 2 EU stations call me
>>> that clearly
>>> could not hear me but were broadcasting a Q (faking it), from
>>> the spot, to
>>> try and get the Vermont Mult into the log. I can hear them
>>> with my
>>> beverages no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> I personally think Self Spotting is the end of contesting as
>>> we know it and
>>> should NEVER be allowed.
>>>
>>>
>>> At least with the RBN, a radio does have to pick you up to put
>>> it on the
>>> net.
>>>
>>>
>>> Until there is an SSB RBN, the effort should be for fairer
>>> spotting. The
>>> easiest way is for the major contest clubs around the world to
>>> implore their
>>> members to set the "spot all S & P" on their software programs
>>> and for that
>>> to be the default position for programs going forward. How
>>> hard is that?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed N1UR
>>>
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