[CQ-Contest] cq self spot

[Juan Hidalgo EA8RM]

Hello Jim and Mike. 

For dx, multiOP and assisted i always use VE7CC without filters, i really like how it works.

What.i really mean it is as LPL and others take spots from RBN and send to the classic system, the all time cluster.  They filter what DXCC will be spotted from RBN to classics cluster, and that's it can be a great tool for dxing but not for contesting. 

Stations from rare locations will be spotted every 10 minutes and other from the same zone will be not spotted never ever :((. That's what i feel like unfair. All the stations will not spotted in the same level on the classics clusters, and that will bring a great advantage to few ones against another ones. 

If you check  https://dxheat.com/db/W3lpl/ you can see how there it is 59583 spots from African stations, a 13% of LPL total spots, well there it is no one from EA8.

If we are in a competition and im spotted and you not, there will be a difference in the results too, and we are not in the same game. 

Im not against LPL system, it is very useful, but shouldn't be filtering stations during a contest, so all or no one have to be spotted, if there will be too much stations from RBN to classics one, it can be OFF or just spotting WARC bands. 

What you will think If there are  59583 spots from your continent competitors and 0 from you?  Do you think it is a fair game for everyone in the same country? 

TNX and 73 de Juan
EA8RM / EF8R 
EF8U Manager 

Enviado desde mi iPad

> El 27 feb 2017, a las 23:42, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> escribió:
> 
> Connect to the multitude of other DX clusters such as w0mu-1, VE7CC and many others.  There are no EA8 or any other filters on the cluster side.  You as a user can filter as much or as little as you wish.
> 
> W0MU
> 
> 
>> On 2/27/2017 11:49 AM, Michael Adams wrote:
>> Keep in mind EA8's aren't banned from RBN.
>> 
>> It's just that W3LPL doesn't repeat them as classic spots, because they aren't uncommon.
>> 
>> A significant amount of email could be generated discussing the pros and cons of W3LPL's relaying some RBN spots as classic spots. Personally, I settle for thinking that knowing how to tap into and appropriately filter spots (RBN and classic) is a necessary skill for competing assisted.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Michael Adams | mda at n1en.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Juan Hidalgo EA8RM <ea8cac at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 27 Feb 2017 7:47 am
>> To:
>> Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cq self spot
>> 
>> """In CW contests, RBN and private skimmers will automatically pick you up and
>> spot you on the cluster networks, courtesy of W3LPL and others. This is
>> essentially the same as self-spotting because nobody has to work you for
>> you to be spotted, and as soon as you are detected by one of these robots
>> (RBN or skimmer) you are automatically put on the cluster.""""
>> 
>> This is quite interesting, talking about unfair.....
>> Uncommon  DXCC countries are usually spotted in this way, specially OC, AS, SA, Africa.
>> 
>> It is quite frustrating when you're running in a contest and every 10 minutes there are spots from other countries of your continent but you don't !!!
>> 
>> Example:  ALL African stations are spotted in this way EXCEPT EA8 !!!
>> 
>> The EA8s are banned from the system I don't know why, but it is very easy to check.
>> 
>> I trough to qualify to WRTC, I miss some log and I didn't work all time all contest, but all these things are by my fault but there it is another circumstances.....I check how ALL other stations from AF are automatically spotted every 10 min and no EA8 stations are spotted.
>> It is this self-spotting?
>> It is this CQoIP?
>> Should them be DQ?
>> 
>> For me it is just unfair, we haven't all the same opportunities to be spotted. We have to be all or no one, but no few ones, in this way it is UNFAIR.
>> 
>> 
>> 73 !!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>> 
>>> El 26 feb 2017, a las 17:58, Ria Jairam <rjairam at gmail.com> escribió:
>>> 
>>> In CW contests, RBN and private skimmers will automatically pick you up and
>>> spot you on the cluster networks, courtesy of W3LPL and others. This is
>>> essentially the same as self-spotting because nobody has to work you for
>>> you to be spotted, and as soon as you are detected by one of these robots
>>> (RBN or skimmer) you are automatically put on the cluster.
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