[CQ-Contest] KU1CW location

Wed Jun 7 09:04:46 EDT 2017

Part 97 also plainly states that the agreement also applies.

97.107:

The privileges granted to a  control operator
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under
this authorization are:

(b) For an  amateur service
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license
granted by any country, other than Canada, with which the United  States
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a multilateral or bilateral agreement:

(1) The terms of the agreement between the alien's government and the
United States;

(2) The operating terms and conditions of the  amateur service
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granted by the alien's government;

(3) The applicable rules of this part, but not to exceed the  control
operator
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privileges
of an  FCC
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Amateur Extra Class operator license; and

(c) At any time the  FCC
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may,
in its discretion, modify, suspend or cancel the reciprocal operating
authority granted to any person by this section.

Ria
N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:52 AM Peter Bowyer <peter at bowyer.org> wrote:

> Yes, but the conditions under which the reciprocal privileges are granted
> (in this case ) are governed by CEPT and adopted by FCC. In order to
> benefit from the CEPT arrangements, FCC has to adopt its rules.
>
> The 'no remote operation' principle comes from the CEPT rules.
>
> Peter G4MJS
>
> On 6 Jun 2017 10:46 p.m., <w5ov at w5ov.com> wrote:
>
> > From what I read at the link you provided, it is precisely as I said:
> >
> >      "US Law applies and the operators must comply with FCC rules as if
> > they were physically within the USA".
> >
> > I see nothing that changes that.
> >
> > More specifically, anyone operating a remote station in the USA must obey
> > the USA FCC Law as if they were here in the USA.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Bob W5OV
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, June 5, 2017 12:02 pm, Peter Bowyer wrote:
> > > Sorry Bob you're wrong there. FCC has adopted the CEPT T/R 61-01
> > > regulation to make reciprocal licensing easier.
> > >
> > > http://www.arrl.org/foreign-licenses-operating-in-u-s
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter G4MJS
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5 June 2017 at 13:07,  <w5ov at w5ov.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> N2RJ said:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> " Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
> > >> sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an
> internet
> > >> remote base in the US while being physically present overseas...."
> > >>
> > >> EU rules do not apply to amateur radio transmissions made from within
> > >> the USA under any circunstances.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Where the operator is located is completely irrelevant.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> What happens on the air from a USA station is governed by US FCC Law -
> > >> nothing else.
> > >>
> > >> US Law applies and the operators must comply with FCC rules as if they
> > >> were physically within the USA.
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Bob W5OV
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > >> Ria
> > >> Jairam
> > >> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:53 PM
> > >> To: W4AAW at aol.com
> > >> Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will
> > >>> agree with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool
> > >>> anyone or gain some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're
> > >>> just being
> > >> competitive and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> There is really nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage during
> a
> > >>  contest. That's what contesting is. As long as it is within the
> rules.
> > >>  Operating from elsewhere to do better in contests has been a staple
> of
> > >>  contesting for pretty much as long as it has existed.
> > >>
> > >>> 2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally
> > >>> Remote
> > >>>
> > >> M/M station.
> > >>
> > >>> We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions from all over
> > >>> NA,
> > >>> from Panama,  Europe and Asia, provided they meet legal/licensing
> > >> requirements.
> > >>
> > >> Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
> > >> sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an
> internet
> > >> remote base in the US while being physically present overseas. Even if
> > >> they were allowed, their home license restrictions and power limits
> > >> (while not
> > >> exceeding US Extra) apply. In the UK it is 400 watts for full licenses
> > >> and in Germany it is 750W for class A licenses. Other European
> countries
> > >> may be different. The best thing for them to do to be compliant with
> the
> > >> laws of the US is to get a US license. There are VE sessions in many
> > >> countries overseas and one can get a license by passing the (now very
> > >> easy) exams. No code required, even.
> > >>
> > >>> 4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
> > >>> clearly show the  locations of each operator.
> > >>
> > >> An awards chaser who isn't competing in the contest is unlikely to
> know
> > >>  about nor care about 3830. The best thing to do would be to put the
> > >> location of the stations in the QRZ profile, which is the first place
> > >> they look.
> > >>
> > >> 73
> > >> Ria, N2RJ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, W4AAW at aol.com via CQ-Contest
> > >> <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Here is the correct information on KU1CW in the CQWPX CW contest.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Alex has just moved to Washington State.  He has not yet modified
> > >>> his
> > >> license to reflect this recent development.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally
> > >>> Remote
> > >>>
> > >> M/M station.  We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions
> > >> from all over NA, from Panama, Europe and Asia, provided they meet
> > >> legal/licensing requirements.
> > >>>
> > >>> 3. Since a W4 call sign is common in WPX tests, I suggested to Alex
> > >>> we use
> > >> KU1CW for the contest.  Alex agreed. So, the entry (as shown on 3830)
> > >> was KU1CW@ W4AAW.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> 4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
> > >>> clearly
> > >> show the locations of each operator.
> > >>>
> > >>> If some people had bothered to read information that is readily
> > >>> available
> > >> in that posting, it would not have been necessary to cast aspersions.
> > >>>
> > >>> During some periods of the contest, Alex even operated SO2R, using
> > >>> two
> > >> W4AAW positions remotely, from Washington State.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will
> > >>> agree
> > >> with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool anyone or
> > >> gain some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're just being
> > >> competitive and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 73, Mike W4AAW
> > >>>
> > >>>
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