[CQ-Contest] KU1CW location

Wed Jun 7 09:38:57 EDT 2017

I'm confused. Those links are only to definitions of terms, not to any
regulations.

73, Zack W9SZ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Ria Jairam <rjairam at gmail.com> wrote:
> Part 97 also plainly states that the agreement also applies.
>
> 97.107:
>
> The privileges granted to a  control operator
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=2250b23d1939a08f78f3131500b39503&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>
> under
> this authorization are:
>
> (b) For an  amateur service
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=04a685c8637e98919b1b6170f440c331&term_occur=6&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>
> license
> granted by any country, other than Canada, with which the United  States
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=974fe48061e86e76cd884bfb06a1dca5&term_occur=5&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>has
> a multilateral or bilateral agreement:
>
> (1) The terms of the agreement between the alien's government and the
> United States;
>
> (2) The operating terms and conditions of the  amateur service
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=04a685c8637e98919b1b6170f440c331&term_occur=7&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>license
> granted by the alien's government;
>
> (3) The applicable rules of this part, but not to exceed the  control
> operator
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=2250b23d1939a08f78f3131500b39503&term_occur=4&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>
> privileges
> of an  FCC
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=e5deaec63e3a2b2b86f45ed00919800e&term_occur=5&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>-granted
> Amateur Extra Class operator license; and
>
> (c) At any time the  FCC
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=e5deaec63e3a2b2b86f45ed00919800e&term_occur=6&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>
> may,
> in its discretion, modify, suspend or cancel the reciprocal operating
> authority granted to any person by this section.
>
> Ria
> N2RJ
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:52 AM Peter Bowyer <peter at bowyer.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, but the conditions under which the reciprocal privileges are granted
>> (in this case ) are governed by CEPT and adopted by FCC. In order to
>> benefit from the CEPT arrangements, FCC has to adopt its rules.
>>
>> The 'no remote operation' principle comes from the CEPT rules.
>>
>> Peter G4MJS
>>
>> On 6 Jun 2017 10:46 p.m., <w5ov at w5ov.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From what I read at the link you provided, it is precisely as I said:
>> >
>> >      "US Law applies and the operators must comply with FCC rules as if
>> > they were physically within the USA".
>> >
>> > I see nothing that changes that.
>> >
>> > More specifically, anyone operating a remote station in the USA must obey
>> > the USA FCC Law as if they were here in the USA.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Bob W5OV
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, June 5, 2017 12:02 pm, Peter Bowyer wrote:
>> > > Sorry Bob you're wrong there. FCC has adopted the CEPT T/R 61-01
>> > > regulation to make reciprocal licensing easier.
>> > >
>> > > http://www.arrl.org/foreign-licenses-operating-in-u-s
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Peter G4MJS
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 5 June 2017 at 13:07,  <w5ov at w5ov.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> N2RJ said:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> " Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
>> > >> sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an
>> internet
>> > >> remote base in the US while being physically present overseas...."
>> > >>
>> > >> EU rules do not apply to amateur radio transmissions made from within
>> > >> the USA under any circunstances.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Where the operator is located is completely irrelevant.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> What happens on the air from a USA station is governed by US FCC Law -
>> > >> nothing else.
>> > >>
>> > >> US Law applies and the operators must comply with FCC rules as if they
>> > >> were physically within the USA.
>> > >>
>> > >> 73,
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Bob W5OV
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>> > Of
>> > >> Ria
>> > >> Jairam
>> > >> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:53 PM
>> > >> To: W4AAW at aol.com
>> > >> Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will
>> > >>> agree with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool
>> > >>> anyone or gain some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're
>> > >>> just being
>> > >> competitive and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> There is really nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage during
>> a
>> > >>  contest. That's what contesting is. As long as it is within the
>> rules.
>> > >>  Operating from elsewhere to do better in contests has been a staple
>> of
>> > >>  contesting for pretty much as long as it has existed.
>> > >>
>> > >>> 2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally
>> > >>> Remote
>> > >>>
>> > >> M/M station.
>> > >>
>> > >>> We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions from all over
>> > >>> NA,
>> > >>> from Panama,  Europe and Asia, provided they meet legal/licensing
>> > >> requirements.
>> > >>
>> > >> Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
>> > >> sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an
>> internet
>> > >> remote base in the US while being physically present overseas. Even if
>> > >> they were allowed, their home license restrictions and power limits
>> > >> (while not
>> > >> exceeding US Extra) apply. In the UK it is 400 watts for full licenses
>> > >> and in Germany it is 750W for class A licenses. Other European
>> countries
>> > >> may be different. The best thing for them to do to be compliant with
>> the
>> > >> laws of the US is to get a US license. There are VE sessions in many
>> > >> countries overseas and one can get a license by passing the (now very
>> > >> easy) exams. No code required, even.
>> > >>
>> > >>> 4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
>> > >>> clearly show the  locations of each operator.
>> > >>
>> > >> An awards chaser who isn't competing in the contest is unlikely to
>> know
>> > >>  about nor care about 3830. The best thing to do would be to put the
>> > >> location of the stations in the QRZ profile, which is the first place
>> > >> they look.
>> > >>
>> > >> 73
>> > >> Ria, N2RJ
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, W4AAW at aol.com via CQ-Contest
>> > >> <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Here is the correct information on KU1CW in the CQWPX CW contest.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 1. Alex has just moved to Washington State.  He has not yet modified
>> > >>> his
>> > >> license to reflect this recent development.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally
>> > >>> Remote
>> > >>>
>> > >> M/M station.  We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions
>> > >> from all over NA, from Panama, Europe and Asia, provided they meet
>> > >> legal/licensing requirements.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 3. Since a W4 call sign is common in WPX tests, I suggested to Alex
>> > >>> we use
>> > >> KU1CW for the contest.  Alex agreed. So, the entry (as shown on 3830)
>> > >> was KU1CW@ W4AAW.
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
>> > >>> clearly
>> > >> show the locations of each operator.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> If some people had bothered to read information that is readily
>> > >>> available
>> > >> in that posting, it would not have been necessary to cast aspersions.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> During some periods of the contest, Alex even operated SO2R, using
>> > >>> two
>> > >> W4AAW positions remotely, from Washington State.
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will
>> > >>> agree
>> > >> with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool anyone or
>> > >> gain some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're just being
>> > >> competitive and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Cheers!
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 73, Mike W4AAW
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
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