[CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs - killing Inovation

Wed Mar 15 15:35:21 EDT 2017

Hello Helmut, 

For many years we (almost all of us, at least) have operated in 
accordance with The Amateur's Code published in ARRL 
Handbooks for at least ninety years. The problem with dual 
interleaved CQs in the same band is that is causes much more 
harm than good, especially if many stations adopt the practice. 

According to The Amateur's Code (originally the code of ethics, 
arguably a better name): 

The Radio Amateur is: 
CONSIDERATE--- never knowingly operates in such a way 
as to lessen the pleasure of others 

FRIENDLY -- .....cooperation and consideration for the interests 
of others 

http://www.arrl.org/amateur-code 

Operating two interleaved run frequencies in the same band is 
not innovative, its not considerate and its not friendly. 

The concepts and capabilities for interleaved run frequencies in the 
same band were developed by multi-multi stations more than 
thirty years ago. It was soon rejected because its harmful -- not 
helpful -- to the contesters and non-contesters we cooperate with 
and share the bands with. 

The CQ WW rules were changed more then 25 years ago to prohibit it. 
The ARRL contest rules were never changed, but most of us clearly 
understood that its harmful to the contesters and non- contesters we 
share the ham bands with, and --almost without exception -- we 
avoided it. 

The PJ4G team (and perhaps others) have reminded us that 
contesting is not just about us or our team, but also about those 
we share the bands with, 

Hopefully we'll do the right thing... 

73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Helmut Mueller" <helmut at photo42.de> 
To: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu at w0mu.com>, cq-contest at contesting.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:36:34 PM 
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs - killing Inovation 

Hi Guys. 

These "new" techniques are just the evolution of contest, deal with it! 

There are different contests out there who have different rules and smart people REALLY understand the rules and apply every effort that is allowed by the rules! This is called contesting art or INOVATION! 

You want to make all contests the same? Keep whining! 

Centurys ago someone came up with stacked antennas: I bet there were people moaning about this. 
Centurys ago someone came up with computer logging and keying: I bet there were people moaning about this. 
Centurys ago someone came up with SO2R: People were moaning about this. 
There are many more examples like this ... now we have SO2RUN or Interleave QSOs! 

I call this innovation! It is fantastic! 

This is from the PJ2T website: 

Dedicated to fun, international friendship, and advancement of the contesting art through superior operating technique and maximum application of technology 

Could not say it any better! 

73 

Helmut DF7ZS 

df7zs.de 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] Im Auftrag von W0MU Mike Fatchett 
Gesendet: Wednesday, 15 March, 2017 04:50 AM 
An: cq-contest at contesting.com 
Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More Frequencies in the Same Band 

If you agree that the rules need to be changed, you need to make your ARRL Division Directors aware of your feelings. I believe there is a meeting coming up soon and I believe that this item can be taken up at that time. 

Alternating CQ's on different bands is pretty common on RTTY. I think that this practice should be allowed and monitored to make sure that stations are adhering to the one transmitted signal at a time for Single ops. 

I can only image the situation where we have a wall of stations at 
14.150 going up and 14.347 going down for alternating cq's. Add in EU and the Caribbean and we have a big mess. 

W0MU 

On 3/14/2017 5:08 PM, Dick Green WC1M wrote: 
> I strongly support Frank's proposal, but the prohibition should apply to Single Ops, too, as it does in CQ WW. 
> 
> I realize that multi-op stations are more likely to be equipped to do alternating CQs on the same band (A and B radios with two ops on each band, multiple antennas per band with good isolation), but it certainly can be done in an SO2R station. If only one band is open enough to run, then the impact on the spectrum is the same. 
> 
> Is there a compelling reason to allow Single Ops to do alternating CQs on the same band? 
> 
> Actually, I think a case could be made for banning alternating CQs altogether. I'd regret that because I've sometimes used it as a Single Op to boost rate or fight boredom, but it definitely does use up more spectrum. If only two bands are open in a big contest, that spectrum is likely to be very limited. What if a rare mult running low power can't find a place to CQ because the alternating CQers are taking up more than their share of space? What about the impact on non-contesters? 
> 
> 73. Dick WC1M 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: donovanf at starpower.net [mailto:donovanf at starpower.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:01 PM 
> To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com> 
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More 
> Frequencies in the Same Band 
> 
> 
> I recommend that alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same band be prohibited immediately in all ARRL HF contests, exactly as it is now prohibited in all CQ WW DX Contests and for multi-operators in the IARU HF Championship. 
> 
> The reason for my recommendation is that the recent success of the 
> PJ4G team in CQing on alternate frequencies on the same band (both on 
> 20 and 15 meters) in the recent ARRL SSB DX Contest will inevitably be 
> applied -- very soon -- by other multi-operator competitors in future 
> ARRL contests. Unfortunately this will be to the very considerable 
> detriment of other HF spectrum users 
> -- both contesters and non-contesters -- because of the very limited available spectrum on every HF band below 28 MHz. 
> 
> The obvious course of action is to simply apply existing IARU HF Championship rule 4.3.2.1 to all multi-operator categories in all ARRL HF contests. 
> 
> 4.3.2.1. Alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same band is not permitted. 
> 
> http://www.arrl.org/iaru-hf-championship 
> 
> A CAC sub-committee is currently engaged in a Rules Consolidation Project to consolidate “The General Rules of all ARRL Contests” 
> “The General Rules for all ARRL contests Below 30 MHz” and individual contest rules into a single rule set for each of the ARRL HF Contests. 
> 
> In addition to the consolidation of the rules structure, the ARRL Programs and Services Committee (PSC) asked the team to develop any accompanying commentary they choose as to areas where the perceive that the rules might benefit from revision and, where appropriate, to suggest revised language. 
> 
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/About%20ARRL/Committee%20Reports/2016/J 
> uly/Doc_24_0716.pdf 
> 
> While the CAC's role is solely to respond to projects and issues assigned by the ARRL Programs and Services Committee; the CAC chairman can recommend future CAC projects and issues to the PSC. 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> 
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